I'm sorry, but after more than 12 years experience as mod I must tell you there isn't such thing as "cleaning up the board", especially in a game.

In the big boards, there is "Archive" where old topics are moved. The deletion of the posts / fragments out of the rules already take place in the moderation process.

As Alrik pointed out, it's a kind of game memory that should not disappear.

Gregory I wrote:

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I'm sorry, but after more than 12 years experience as mod I must tell you there isn't such thing as "cleaning up the board", especially in a game.

In the big boards, there is "Archive" where old topics are moved. The deletion of the posts / fragments out of the rules already take place in the moderation process.

As Alrik pointed out, it's a kind of memory of the game that should not disappear.

then let it be moved to Archives , and not stand around here...

Greg that's just disingenuous, of course there is such a thing as doing exactly that. Posts are removed all the time and doing so is usually a way of monitoring the community at large and insuring things run as smoothly as possible: which is exactly what is being proposed.

You're free to disagree with something Greg, go right ahead. But the fact is you're wrong here if you think this is somehow "illegitimate." It's an entirely valid way of, not only upholding the community environment desired, but also streamlining hundreds of posts and topics into a short announcement and decision topic for easy reference.

If the existence in the archives is wanted... then do it, but there is no need not to clean up the boards so that we can get rid of the clutter and help things run more smoothly... other than the fact that some people might not want it done: which is no more valid that those who agree that it would be helpful.

I admit your idea should be suitable as well Gregory. Simply remove those posts from the council's section.

Charles Hart wrote:

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Greg that's just disingenuous, of course there is such a thing as doing exactly that. Posts are removed all the time and doing so is usually a way of monitoring the community at large and insuring things run as smoothly as possible: which is exactly what is being proposed.

You're free to disagree with something Greg, go right ahead. But the fact is you're wrong here if you think this is somehow "illegitimate." It's an entirely valid way of, not only upholding the community environment desired, but also streamlining hundreds of posts and topics into a short announcement and decision topic for easy reference.

If the existence in the archives is wanted... then do it, but there is no need not to clean up the boards so that we can get rid of the clutter and help things run more smoothly... other than the fact that some people might not want it done: which is no more valid that those who agree that it would be helpful.

No, Charles, you're wrong: those are not trash, but petitions and players opinions who may happen to have an influence over the game, lead to decisions of the Knight's Council and are part of the game history.

Removing some references related to you that you don't like doesn't mean the things will run more smoothly..
In fact the things use to run very smoothly until this proposal was made.

When people come with the idea of a petition on the same or related who was the subject of a petition already, they need to see previous arguments in supporting or against the idea in order to come with something new.
Or else we will have the same debates with the same arguments all the time.

By the way, try to come with arguments when you state that I'm wrong, your simple opinion is not enough.

Greg they are clutter and the entire text of it creates a needles barrier for new players to quickly and efficiently know what has transpired in the past.

Leaving it there just invites people to take up old arguments which serves no one. Additionally leaving flames and baiting on some of these topics just gives the impression that such behavior is tolerated and valid.. (which it is not.. nor should it be.)

By the way. You're still wrong.

It seems you don't get the point: the presence of the topics in fact prevents people to come up with old arguments.
Deleting the topics won't make possible the reference and the rejection of the same arguments.

About flames, is the moderator's action to delete it, if it's against the rules, but there are a lot of useful and pertinent topics you want to delete it just because you don't like some posts related to you.

As I says to you, the topics are part of the game history and should stay.

If there is a specific topic who contain nothing useful and can be considered garbage, the admin. or the moderators will take the measure of deletion, but not as you suggest it, an undiscerning deletion of the topics in Claims.

Btw, I don't see the point to keep saying I'm wrong instead discussing my arguments, it seems puerile to me and can be considered flame.

I disagree... which is the point. Leaving the old arguments up does exactly the opposite (as I just said) providing fodder for people to take them up once again.

The topics and discussions themselves in the effected boards are not useful... the decisions and rulings are useful which is what we propose to keep within the thread while the rest is moved to an archive thread to clean up the boards.

They are not part of the game history... they are part of an ooc dialogue that has basically nothing to do with the game, except in so far as it is a sideline discussion about some point of mechanics or rules... only the end result of which truly matters for reference.

Again leaving the arguments there only invites them to be taken up again in a later date.

Lastly, I'm merely stating a fact Greg and just repeating it for emphasis

so Either the mods move to "archives" or they delete it.

There is no 3rd option...

and I'm talking about topics not posts. Yes they could delete the posts regarding flaming , but the entire discussion is then violated and subjugated to be seen in a different light.

So move the flame threads to archives or just delete them.

As here are different opinions here and both are reasonable to follow I'd like to state the following:
Technically the mods can delete / move any post here, but I will only act in this sensible area upon a request of 4 current members of the knights council. This should reflect a sufficient part of the community wishing to do something.