What's next; that Gawin is also a multi from Ban and that he created a multination???? Really I completly understand why some of the strong active players left. I am consider to leave too if this continues

"All of our facts are based on hate, not on evidence"?

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
I don't understand how can a fact be based on hate?

If you could pause your patronizing of Ban the Brat for a little while, you would notice that your silly child is insulting everybody he can.
I don't hate anybody, and don't you play with that word so easily and ignorantly.

You obviously don't know nothing about all of this, you just see that someone is 'aggressive' towards Ban, and immediately you start generalizing things and talking bullocks.

I'll have to agree with Fallen this time. This has gone way overboard.

Gruff, you were picking on him since a f*cking long time. It seems that you purpose in life is to chase Ban away. In my eyes you are just a m*therf*cking asshole who doesn't belong in this game. So please let him be or get out.

Gruffudd this went to far

And i really sugest you to shut the fu*k up... ban this ban that

What when 3-4 of you start teasing him on tavern? Is he guilty then? I know that you guys gather in pack and then teasing him, me, doesn't matter, and you want to say this is all on him?

Let me tell you this Gruff, I had different opinion about you, but it's gone, now I see that you are just like all others...

If Ban is as "guilty" for everything, so are you, so are SDN, Lazar, Ljudislav, I don't even want to talk about derg, and so am I.

No one will believe you that only Ban is guilty for all this mess...

I remember the first incident involving Ban (when he was a Serbian knight) and Sevastakrator. Ljudislav backed Ban in that dispute (correctly in my view) and kicked Sevastakrator out.

So what has happened in the meantime? Well it seems that the "Storm" business has offended the Serbians, and let us assume that that is genuine and not confected rage. However, Ban states this is inadvertent and that the statement is in fact his family motto (and the relation to "Operation Storm" is just a coincidence). Let us likewise assume that this is so.

But now consider this: in Australia there are lots of Serbs and Croats, and they almost all now live in harmony. In fact it is quite common for Serbs to have Croat boyfriends/girlfriends and vice versa. And Ban/Gruffudd/Derg consider a situation where you fall in love with a Serb/Croat girl and go to meet her parents for the first time. It would not be wise for Ban to allude to "Operation Storm", even inadvertently and likewise there would be various things Gruff/Derg would be wise to avoid. And don't claim "I would never fall in love with a Serb/Croat girl", that is proven false in Australia and only a foolish (and hard-hearted) person would adopt such a position.

I also note there are both Serb and Croat players who are playing Roman characters, with absolutely no problems. We even had Sevastakrator as a Roman knight for some time, and he more or less behaved himself! So perhaps we can ask some of the Serb and Croat Romans to come up with a way to sort this out.

Smelgar, are you serious about Sevastokrator? He behaved? I wouldn't bet on that.

Also, Gruff is calling us nazis all the time, and calls himself inocent and make victim out of himself? After calling someone nazzi? WTF?


Their problem is they will never admit they have made something wrong because they are to afraid of judges, and will always do whatever it takes to make themselfs inocent and oposite side wrong, even if they are wrong it doesnt matter... Gruff now started discusion and blamed Ban for everything, without even thinking why is Ban acting like that...
I remember so many times Ban simply left when they started to tease us... and he and Ljudislav dare to call Ban guilty for everything?



For argue is required 2 ppl or more, so you can't blame only one....
I have admited that me and Ban sometimes over reacted and said bad words etc, but I also know that Serbs will never do so and will just continue crying and whining... call me subjective and biased but I don't care, that's how it is, I don't remember you admited that you are wrong EVER

Have you (both parties) realised that the rest of the world does not understand that serbia vs croatia thing.

Smelgar, I have nothing against Croats themselves in general, just because they are Croats, I have conflicts with individuals.

I as well made a point about existence of certain taboo subjects regarding certain people and that for the sake of politeness, people should avoid such things. (see when I mentioned what would happen if a Saxon player would RP a massacre of the Jews. The difference would only be that everyone understands the controversy in that case, and it would be a scandal, criticized by every member of KH community, while, crimes of Croats aren't that well-known in world, probably because Balkan's history isn't that interesting to the world, and some people see it as just a part of the RP. Well it isn't.)

Ban constantly makes insults on my people and nation, sometimes the insults are blunt and direct (like Ban calling us Turks, or spitting on our historical cultural events), but sometimes he hides them barely enough so we can notice them alone, without people who aren't from this region not understanding what provocation he made, such with the Storm thing, such with many other things witnessed on tavern on daily basis.

Again, some people that lack national identity, like Fallen (in combination with other mind deviations ), cannot probably understand how would someone get insulted because of insults made towards their country, so supposedly, we turn out to be some crazy people.

I read the issue of Ban with Sevastokrator. Sevastokrator took it too far, but you know what? Rest of the Serb-player community in at-that-point nation of Duklja stood up and told Sevastokrator that he is wrong.
Can you tell me why do those same Serbian players that defended a Croat against a Serb (oh my!) now turned into, supposedly, nationalistic jerks?
I can tell you, because I read the sequel of the board topic with conflict of Seva and Ban. Ban took the insults from Sevastokrator on a national level and starting flaming and spitting at all Serbs in KH, even tho they did nothing to him.
From that point on, he's constantly bringing up some symbols of Croatian conflicts with Serbia (there were no such conflicts in medieval age between our people), so instead of using cultural reference to medieval Croatia, Ban is constantly either assimilating Serbian culture of struggle against the Turks into Croatian "history", either using symbols of Croatian slaughters of Serb civilians of modern wars (WW2 and Yugoslavian civil war in the '90s).

You know why there aren't conflicts of Serbs and Croats in the Byzantium? It is because there aren't people like Ban that shout and glorify their blessed Croatian independence and fight against the evil Serbs, those are just people that mind their own business and play their own game.
I never saw anyone here following the saying "respect your enemy", no, people find "shit on your enemy" much more popular.

Borna, I don't care who started what, I specifically said that I want it to end, no matter who is hiding behind words, a Serb or a Croat, it should be tended to - stopped. I pointed out an issue in the PRESENT.

You know this is enough... topic is locked

In future, any topic in which someone will be presented AS ONLY PROBLEM and he/she isnt will be locked... when you admit that you are making national insults, not to mention calling Wolfrick and Ban nazzis... and when you will be ready to talk normal and not like "everyone else is guilty only we aren't"... then we can talk, untill then: lock, lock, lock...

This simply doesn't make any sense... it just goes round and round without any smart conclusion or anything...