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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      12.04.2012 01:39:42 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
The Archbishop of Canterbury receive Bishop Fenwick's report with displeasure:
This is to be called a report? I should instructed him better, it is my fault.
Oh, Lord, I'm bleeding to see the Holy Church in this weakened state!


To Bishop Fenwick, England representative to the elections Conclave in Rome

QUOTE:
Dear Brother,

It is entirely my fault to put such a difficult task on your feeble shoulders without having the time to properly instructed you!
I expected a report about the progresses made in the Conclave, but I think it was lost on the route and I had to rely on partial information delivered by various agents.
Dear Fenwick, imagine that the King of Scotland is better informed than me!

Please make a full report and send it to London without delay. Time is of essence and troubling rumors about Ban Moreplovac attempt to overthrow the rightful order in the Conclave it worries me.
According to our archives, similar attempts was made in the past, we should not allow such treacherous actions to happen.

After the final statement of the candidates (in case that Ban Moreplovac won't be removed) the voting procedure must be initiated.
Too much time we was without guidance! You must agree that it's God's Will to have a pope as soon as possible!

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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      12.04.2012 09:47:01 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Having head enough from the other Bishops, Chepni decided to yet again address to Bishop Fenwick:

Your Grace Bishop Fenwick,

I believe all arguments against and in favor of each candidate have been presented. I do not see the point in continuing our debate anymore because it would never end.

In the end the simplest way to solve our differences is by putting the matter to the vote.

I also wish to warn you that unless England's clerical representatives don't stop their attempts to eliminate his Grace Bishop Ban Matej Moroplovac from the race for the Papal Seat, than the Christian Petcheneg Church will not recognize any Pope that will be chosen. And i believe we're all aware of the problems a Pope encounters when he is not recognized by all the members of his flock. I do not think it's in anyone's right to disqualify a candidate based only on their desires to do so. And so far only England's representatives have attempted to do so. So i urge you and his Grace the Archbishop of Canterbury to stop doing this.

Just allow this voting process to proceed normally. Having a single candidate is not a normal way.

I now formally ask for the voting process to commence and it is with sincere hope that your Grace will accept because the Holy Mother Church needs allot of things to be, not least of which is to name new Cardinals.
 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      12.04.2012 19:29:59 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Bishop Fenwick read the letter of the Archbishop of Canterbury. "Oh Lord, I know I am no good at writing reports that include every detail." He once again grabbed his secretary and retired with him to a corner. "Is not there some clerk here somewhere, who wrote down the proceedings of this conclave in shorthand or something, so that it might be preserved for posterity? If such a record exists, please find it and send a copy to Archbishop James. If there is not, please start one at once."

Then Bishop Fenwick returned to the gathering to answer Bishop Chepni:

"I clearly remember the words of Ban Matej Moreplovac's brother - and I still do not know what place this brother even has in this gathering:"

Ban Matej Moreplovac's brother said:
QUOTE:
We have great news for you, elector of Scotland … I have been allowed to replace Ban Matej Moreplovac as the elector, since he's a candidate of course ... Matej Moreplovac my BROTHER in faith has the support and the vote of the Papal States. The most ''honorable'' and ''valorious'' Wilhelm the son of a Muslim by the Papal States opinion has no right even to be nominated as a candidate for the Papal position, let alone becoming the Pope, now THAT would be a disaster


"This did appear to me to be an underhanded attempt to eliminate papal candidate wilhelm de montferrat. Archbishop James apparently heard rumors of this, too, which in turn caused Archbishop James to call for a removal of candidate Ban Matej Moreplovac.

On the off chance that I might have misunderstood the meaning of the brother of Ban Matej Moreplovac, I have asked him - either of them - to clarify this statement. I am yet waiting for him to reply, you Bishop Chepni once again intervened. I am gaining the impression that you are doing talking for Ban Matej Moreplovac. Unless you intend to move to the Vatican and become the secretary and speechmaker of Ban Matej Moreplovac, he will however eventually have to speak for himself.

About the voting procedure, I and several other Bishops had some more questions for the papal candidates.

However, if no more answers are forthcoming, then by all means, let the voting commence. I repeat, I cast my vote for wilhelm de montferrat."


 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      12.04.2012 21:23:19 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Several things happened in very short time and Bishop Stjepan was very upset.

"Dear Bishop Fenwick, don't you think it is a bit strange that head of English Church, Arcbishop of Canterbury, is threating with another war and bloodspill? What kind of spiritual leader is he when he is threating with another slaughter. How ever if he insist he may come and you can tell it to him that I said it, I personaly don't want to talk to him I believe Papal State troops are ready for any interference and I also think that King Borna will send his troops to help defend Vatican. Next thing I wish to say is that I think it is too soon for voting to comence. Wilhelm de Montferrat is silence for very long time and I believe that Ban Matej Moroplovac also has some more things to say.

Also I don't see any attempt on over throwing Wilhelm's nomination. It was only said that it is unapropriate, I said it to but on different way.

Please stay calm all of you because I don't want another bloodspill and new war, especialy not in Papal State."
 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      12.04.2012 22:46:55 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Your Grace Bishop Fenwick,

I assure you that i do not speak for his Grace Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac. His Grace is old enough and experienced enough to do that himself. My interventions were not meant to...replace Ban Moreplovac's replies, but only to show support to a man who in my view was being cornered by wilhelm's supporters, a treatment i personally found imoral. If wilhelm de montefeat has such vicious "guardians" than why wouldn't Ban Matej Moreplovac have too?

But like you, i have any interest in unlocking this entire situation because i too want to see the Papal Seat occupied yet again.

And that can only happen if we start voting. In the end it's less relevant if wilhelm de montferat and Ban Matej Moreplovac recognize eachother as legimitate candidates. It's less relevant because they don't have the right to vote anyway. What is more important is if the electors recognize these candidates, which they do.

If that's the case, than why aren't we voting yet?
 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      12.04.2012 23:26:33 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
John of Avalon waited for a long time. Day by day he waited for an answer to his questions by wilhelm de montferrat. The other candidate had answered his questions soon.

Why didn't wilhelm de montserat answer this easy questions. Wasn't he able to find the right words. That seemed John impossible. A man who couldn't fight by words never could become pope.

John decided to wait only a short time. Without good answers wilhelm de montferrat would getting no vote by The Antioch bishop.

To bishop Fenwick he said some words about the message to the electors of the new pope which was sent by James, Archbishop of Canterbury:

My dear bishop Fenwick. You are a wise man. I'm not amused by the message of the archbishop of Canterbury. It's unacceptable to write such threats to the electors of the new pope. I can't believe that a man of the church writes such letters to his brothers in Christ. He impends to invade the Papal States if we don't elect the right pope - the right pope in the eyes of the archbishop I suppose... Every bishop and every archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church have to accept the pope selected in this conclave. The pope isn't selected by sword. You can write this to the archbishop of Canterbury and write him too that his prefered candidate wilhelm de montferat has lost his speak since a longer time. If The archbishop want to help he should sent his best doctor to his favourite candidate.

After this words John of Avalon sat down at his place - waiting for answer or another development.


 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      13.04.2012 03:35:38 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Finally a proper report! says the Archbishop of Canterbury for himself reading the last one. He did not recognize Bishop Fenwick hand writing, but everybody could have a hand accident, possibly gesticulate too much during the last session.
Even he is a very busy man, some parts of the report force him to send another message.

To Bishop Fenwick, England representative to the elections Conclave in Rome

QUOTE:
Dear Brother,

I'm very sorry about your hand accident and I'll pray for fast recovery, but the scribe you hired did not properly translate the wordings.

I could understand from John of Avalon (what's his rank again?) who late arrive and are not familiarized with Archbishop of Canterbury renown as defender of faith and the church to use expressions as
threats to the electors or invade the Papal States if we don't elect the right pope when all that James did was to defend the Church against Ban Moreplovac attempts to usurp the church authority!

Why the representative of Antioch did not do it that himself, instead offending the Archbishop of Canterbury and provoke an international incident James could not understood.


Oh, Lord, I wish to know who's the right pope and beg in the knees the electors to vote him!

But coming from Bishop Stjepan, the Croatian representative, insulting words as
what kind of spiritual leader is he when he is threating with another slaughter about the man of incontestable faith diligently working in support of the Conclave definitely must be a wrong transcription!
Again James did not understood why Croatian representative did not act to defend the church against Ban Moreplovac attempts to overthrow the church authority.


It's possible that the Croatian to be part of the plot? I would not exclude that, both are Croatian in fact! We should investigate that further, along with wizardry practices reported during the recent visit of Croatian in the France capitol.

Dear Fenwick, please confirm the translation and explain again to the electors that England is not behind any candidate, in God we trust and our strong faith do not allow us to participate in such political games!

England stand firmly only behind the church, personally I drop my candidature no matter how many supporters I had because the Lord didn't give me a sign that I should go for the pope.
Isn't that an evidence clear enough about our sincere intentions? Please feel free to vote as soon as the voting procedure will be declared as your conscience and God Almighty is guiding you!

One more question: did the candidate wilhelm the monserrat join the ranks of Vatican as expected by now?
That should prove his good intentions to keep fighting against pagans and heretics as he do it his entire life.
This would be the right place to accomplish God's work, no matter if he would be elected or not, don't you agree?

Ban Moreplovac shows his faith by joining Vatican some time ago.
You're right, everybody could mistake.
If he will turn his face again to God and repent, he should be forgiven, no harm was done because England was there to defend the church authority. The sin of pride is frequent amongst young people, no need to take his head for that if he will do the right thing. I strongly disagree with the nomination of a person who do not respect the church authority and laws, but it's for the electors to decide if you accept him as soon as he publicly admit he was wrong.
Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum.

James, humble servant of the Lord


 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      13.04.2012 13:43:35 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Matej smiled a bit and waved his hands. He thought to himself "The Papal States are not prepared for a war. They misunderstood my brother's speach. England has made a mistake and I'll make them pay. But first things first, let's deal with this problem". He turned to his brother, winked at him and whispered something to him. Then left he hall. While Matej was leaving the hall, Ratimir stood there in shock, his face red and clenched his fist. Still angry he made a statement to the other representatives in a similar tone.

"Unfortunatelly the Papal States is not military capable of fighting England. The Papal States has decided to abstain from voting. About the other candidate, Wilhelm , we have only said that he isn't a suitable candidate, from the Papal States point of view. The Papal States cannot deny any candidates, we just said that we do not support him, but rather support Ban Matej Moreplovac. About England's threats to The Papal States, the message is now stored. About England's Chancellor James and the current Candidate for Pope, Wilhelm, there is new evidence..." - He turned around to see if his brother came. And he did. He made a big smile and gestured to his brother that he can speak.

"I have recieved news, big ones. About the chancellor of England, James and about the current papal Candidate, Wilhelm. Straight from Castille and it's royal highness. I have gotten the letters sent back and forth from James and Wilhelm."

He presented the letters, all of them to the representatives to read, a copy for each one.

"I'm gonna make it easier for all of you and point out a few things" - He started reading the letters out loud. He made a loud tone to a few of them.

"James said:
Sir, we are astonished that a man with your reputation could act in such a cowardly way, broking the oath to protect his own people and running away in front of English army.
If Castile king is such a bad king, not being able to fulfill his duties to protect Castile's people, are you afraid to throw it in his face?


You will root in the eternal flames of damnation for your evil deeds. We will do you a great favor after we capture you: you'll be put on stake in order to purify your mortal soul corrupted by the devil because you refuse the chance of redemption we generously offer it to you.

You look mentally disturbed denying people's names and call everybody "heretics", your verbal delirium it's a clear evidence you are possessed.


And a lot more from James, but enough of that crazed man let's talk about our Papal candidate, who also said a few good words for the Chancellor of England.

Wilhelm said:
You Warmonger, Infidel! If you are going to burn Castillia, you'll have to kill me first! Almighty lord christ will give me the power to save these poor peoples here and to sign Fair and Just peace!
You call yourself a good christian, well this doesn't really show it, you are demanding me to let you raid good christian people and to stop you doing anymore sins that will lead you to hell!


"James the pope?" How you can think they give you a passage even to papal states?
Sounds annoying, it is more like " James the servant of Satan "
Anything you could do, is to threaten the enemies of England, you heretic!
A hypocrites kind like you are the reason why we do not posses a strong and good pope!


My fellow Brothers in faith. The letter of James given to us after my brother's speach clearly conderdicts these letters sent by theese men. Who and I quote from his letter said about Wilhelm "in the shameful attempt to vote for himself and now he dare to reject the rightful candidature of Wilhelm of Monserrat, a man of undoubted faith who dedicate his entire life serving God Almighty.". I say to you my dear brothers.

Both men are madmen, If England steps a foot on The Papal States lands, it will be a war. As Bishop and Guard Captain of Vatican, we'll arrest the representative of England, and I will see to it personally that the lands will be defended. In the worst case I'll bid you all for support of excommunicating England for the sole reason of attacking the Papal States during a conclave. Such hypocracy WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!"


He took a small breather and continued.

"As for Wilhelm, you have your candidate, who by James words is a heretic that should be burnt to a stake, a traitor and a coward. Both James and Wilhelm in my opinon are madmen. You cannot trust either of theese men. You can see it from their letters that there is something wrong. How can a good Catholic forgive a heretic so easily and now try to put him as a candidate for Pope and talk good about him? I say they're posessed. So if you wish for a possesed Pope vote for Wilhelm, I on the other hand have done nothing wrong.

I'll say it again for England and it's representative, if we see an English army on our borders, you will be detained in prison while we're off fighting the invasion of Archbishop James or the Queen of England. England will then be put on a vote from all the candidates here should it be excommunicated by the Catholic community.

I have made my stance and opinion representative of England, here is my sword ready to defend the people of the Papal States, it is on you and your madman James to decide will it be red with English blood or will it stay clean and peaceful for the duration of the Conclave."


He gave the sword to the English representative, made a motion to cut himself if England wants war with the Catholic community or will the madman stay in England and there shall be a fair vote for the new Pope.


Parata sedes tua!
 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      13.04.2012 16:15:28 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
The Cardinal Ariberto Intimiano was very disappointed.
The major representatives of the Catholic Church, meeting in the hall of the Conclave with the purpose of electing the new Pontiff, had lost its way and lost sight of the real purpose for which they were gathered.
Never had he felt such bitterness, he realized that many of his peers, were not able to show greater wisdom of the humblest of the grooms.
If only the facts he had witnessed in recent days had been leaked, could not imagine what would have been the thoughts of the Orthodox and Muslims regarding the inability of the existing dialogue between the major representatives of what is called the church only true representative of the true faith.

"Cardinals, Archbishops and Bishops, my peers, I come to you with the intent to bring the discussion on the right path that brings us together in this holy room, whose only goal is to find among us the representative of the entire world Catholic.

I remind you all that the election of the Pope should take place in the absence of external influences to the Catholic Church, and that the temporal power and spiritual power which is separate from the one represented in this place from all of us.

I remind you all that Camerlengo is the only one who has the duty to intervene by detecting irregularities in the election of Pope

I remind you all that in the absence of a pontiff, the Camerlengo Norbert Valentin have the same devotion to the Pope that we should elect a majority of those present.

I remind you all that so far what we have done in this room was simply worsen the diplomatic relations between the nations which we represent.

I remind you all that the soil of the Papal States is sacred, and I hope that this will be considered by all sovereigns have in mind what might be the consequences, and I'm not referring to the earthly consequences.

I ask everyone to intervene to restore order in the hall of the Conclave, and to pacify the spirits of those who have the power to sow death and destruction across Europe.

God protect us and guide us wisely to prevent the election of the Pope becomes the cause of unnecessary bloodshed. "

Ariberto Intimiano took his place on the bench, in the room had fallen silent ........
 
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Re:Konklave of the Cardinal-Electors      13.04.2012 20:31:04 --- 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Bishop Fenwick gingerly placed the sword Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac had given him on the table, he had never had any truck with military matters and had in fact never handled a sword before.

Then he once again rose to address all those people who had spoken, turning first toward Cardinal Ariberto Intimiano.
"Thank you for your words of calm and wisdom Cardinal Ariberto Intimiano.

Indeed the voting must proceed onwards.

You are of course right that it should be the duty of Camerlengo Norbert Valentin to lead this conclave. Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac tells us though that Norbert Valentin fell silent and retired due to unwellness. So it appears we will have to do without him. I have not heard him appoint anyone to stand in his place either, though I asked him to do so a while ago.

However Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac currently claims to speak for the Papal States."


Bishop Fenwick next turned towards Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac:

"Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac your brother's prior words indeed gave rise to much dissent and caused much strife. I am glad to hear you say that they were not meant the way they sounded and that your brother did not in fact intend to disqualify papal candidate wilhelm de montferrat from this election. In justice you'll have to acknowledge that any subsequent comments of the English clergy were caused by your brother's comment. Archbishop James wrote to me that he felt that your brother's words were a challenge to the authority of the Catholic Church and an attempt to overthrow the time honored proceedings established for the Papal Elections and the Conclave. He felt it his duty to uphold the authority of the Church by any means neccessary - including military intervention if all else failed.

Now that matters have been clarified and you have stated that you do indeed intend to adhere to the established voting procedures and will not try to remove your rival candidate, as far as I am concerned this makes any military intervention on the part of England unnecessary. No one will attempt to remove or disqualify either of our papal candidates here. The matter can therefore be forgotten as far as I am concerned.

If however you intend to prolong the quarrel, which was started by your brother's hasty words, then know that I will stand by my convictions, my faith and my conscience and no threat of bodily harm will move me."


Though despite his brave words Bishop Fenwick privately fervently hoped that it would not be required of him to become a martyr for this faith.

"You claim to speak for the Papal States Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac. Now obviously you cannot vote yourself - and I must have doubts about your blood brother's right to vote in this conclave too, thank you for asking him to refrain from further interfering in the proceedings in this conclave. But there are many Cardinals and Bishops in the Papal States, what about them, cannot you convince any of them to come to this conclave? They would of course have the right to cast a vote in the name of the Papal States. And - forgive me my doubts, but I would prefer to have some further confirmation from an outside source that indeed the Papal States speak with one voice and give you their full support.

About those old letters you have dug up, apparently there was indeed in the past some disagreement between Archbishop James and papal candidate wilhelm de montferrat.

But men change. The voice of God can be a strong force in a man's life and can cause strastic changes in the course of a man's life.

I once again remind you of the story I already mentioned of Saulus and Paulus, God can cause deep conversions and changes in a man's life, a sinful past must be no barrier to leading a righteous and holy life in future.

But I can speak no further on that matter, I do not know the particulars of those old disagreements."


Bishop Fenwick then sat again and left the floor to the other participants who might want to speak. A number of other queries had also been addressed to him, in fact so many, that he had almost lost track of all of them, but he trusted that his statements had answered all open questions.

Bishop Fenwick meanwhile once again took out a quill to answer his latest letter from Archbishop James.


QUOTE:
To James, Archbishop of Canterbury,

Your Excellency,

John of Avalon is a Hospitaller Knight, he did not say or I do not recall whether he has any particular rank within that order.

Indeed there has been much strife and contention within this conclave caused by some statements, particularly by the brother of Bishop Ban Matej Moreplovac. However he has now clarified that he did not mean to disqualify his rival candidate, despite the way his words sounded. I therefore trust that any military intervention by England will be unnecessary. I hope that whole matter can be forgotten. Should however the quarrel persists, I will stand firm by my convictions, my faith, my conscience and my English brothers in faith.

I include the latest transcriptions of the proceedings from this conclave in this message, pray excuse the brevity of this message, I now have to turn my attention once again to these proceedings, in order not to miss anything.

Given in the year of our Lord 1048
Bishop Fenwick of Gloucester


 
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