303 Minsk - White Ruthenia
Minsk is a city, not the land; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia

285 Smolensk -> Polatsk
This is not Smolensk, everyone who will look at maps, will have no doubt about it
(Smolensk castle called Bryansk is in shire 309, but this is not my business, maybe Bryansk/Smolensk nation will propose or introduce some changes to make these lands more exact )

286 Polatsk -> Smolensk
287 Smolensk -> Vitebsk
302 Zagorodje -> Gardin
308 Soz -> Vitebsk
351 Dealurile -> Podolia
352 Podolia -> Volynia
All mentioned lands are called not rightly, this is corrections (you can check it by any source)

If there is no debates, maybe it's time to vote?

there isn't discussion indeed. But before move. It will be good if owners of some provinces(because they belong to different factions) Said something. Now there is war in the region, so it's hard to say who owns the province for me

The same applies to this petition
http://knights-honor.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,181/func,view/id,104899/catid,53/limit,10/limitstart,10/

Can I ask, if there is any progress on this?

More or less it was discussed in our inner channels. Other probably don't care, so they have nothing to discuss. The only problem left, to many shires called Smolensk.. We have two shires called smolensk and nation - Smolensk as well.. It's confusing, when trying to use shire names, instead of numbers.

Minsk was a town, but also a region. There is not forbidden to use the name of an important town.
I could not find references about Zagorodje vs Gardin.

I would like an argumentation in each case to be produced with references, also a link to a map in support of the changes.

Anne de Flandre wrote:

QUOTE:
Minsk was a town, but also a region. There is not forbidden to use the name of an important town.
I could not find references about Zagorodje vs Gardin.

I would like an argumentation in each case to be produced with references, also a link to a map in support of the changes.

Hi, about Zagorodje it is alomost nothing info, it's ordinary province in nowadays Beloruss: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8C%D0%B5
So, obviously this is not the true name for this province..

Gardin is the lithuanian name of Grodno http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grodno that's why it's hard to find in google with keyword Gardin. I proposed lithuanian name because Gardin was one of the largest and famous towns in Lithuanian Grand-Duchy, even our greatest ruler - Vytautas Didysis has residence there and made preparations for the Battle of Grunwald. Even in nowadays Grodno means less in Beloruss than it was in Lithuanian-Grand-Duchy

Anne de Flandre wrote:

QUOTE:
Minsk was a town, but also a region. There is not forbidden to use the name of an important town.
I could not find references about Zagorodje vs Gardin.

I would like an argumentation in each case to be produced with references, also a link to a map in support of the changes.

What about Minsk - in middleages it was not so powerful and influential as in later ages. It was divided by Polatsk and Kiev principalities, raided my mongols and finally incorporated into Lithuanian Grand-Duchy. Later there was a region of Minsk in Lithuanian-Polish kingdom, but this was not in middleages. As a town Minsk was even less famous and important than Gardin (mentioned in my last post), has been given Magdeburg laws later and so on..
As a region.. I don't know.. Lands surrounding every larger city we can call it's city region, but in middleages there was only a region of White Ruthenia (nowadays Beloruss) - as I proposed before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk http://www.flickr.com/photos/14284161@N03/3280180249/ http://ukrmap.su/en-wh7/443.html

Podolia and Volynia are famous lands on todays Ukraine and Poland border.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podolia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia

Volynia has a more autonomous history, but both territories were important and very rich lands - lithuanian and polish dukes even fight between for the rule of these lands

Polatsk, Vitebsk and Smolensk are the same cities, their positions don't change, and the history is clearly written: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polotsk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitebsk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk

Allow me to contradict you:
Possible that today White Ruthenia means Belarus, but it wasn't always like that.

QUOTE:
White Russia or White Ruthenia is a translation of the name Belaya Rus (Belarusian: Белая Русь, "White Rus"), which has historically been applied to a part of the wider region of Ruthenia or Rus', most often to that which roughly corresponds to the eastern part of present-day Belarus including the cities of Polatsk, Vitsyebsk and Mahiliou.

I would prefer the name Beloruss you changed in 284, if you still don't agree with Minsk.

QUOTE:
Minsk, mentioned in 1067, was incorporated in Principality of Polatsk, become Principality of Minsk (also region) in the early 12th century and annexed by Kiev in 1129, however in 1146 the Polatsk dynasty regained control of the principality. By 1150, Minsk rivalled Polatsk as the major city in the former Principality of Polatsk. The princes of Minsk and Polatsk were engaged in years of struggle trying to unite all lands previously under the rule of Polatsk.

Minsk escaped the Mongol invasion of Rus in 1237–1239. In 1242, Minsk became a part of the expanding Grand Duchy of Lithuania. It joined peacefully and local elites enjoyed high rank in the society of the Grand Duchy. In 1413, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland entered into a union. Minsk became the centre of Minsk Voivodship (province).

As you can see, as Principality in yearly 12th century or Voivodship later, there was a Minsk region in middle ages, not only an unimportant land around a city.
In my opinion either Beloruss or Minsk would be more appropriate than confusing term "White Ruthenia"

The same for Gardin, I have heard of Grodno, but not about Gardin and it's confusing.