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You contradict yourself in a nonsense argumentation:

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Playing with a character mens to use him within the game mechanics


How is used Sergios (the NPC Julian use to play with) within the game mechanics??

Well Gregory think again. That is exactly the point I make. It is not playing to do RP with an NPC for it can't be used for the game itself but only in the board doing no harm to anyone.

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Keep your recommendations for yourself or give it to those cheaters, I don't need them!

You should rather open a conference room of Vatican where you only invite those that agree with you if you are not able to take different opinions in an open discussion. A discussion where only few are welcome is not to be placed in the players ask players part of this game. If you open a threat here you have to live with all my anwers wether you agree with them or not Gregory.

Den Uxi, already told you that you should keep your recommendations for yourself, since i don't need them, what's so difficult to understand? I didn't say you're not allowed to express your opinions, just to stop harassing and attack me, because you are very close to a ban with this attitude!!
What's the point of such aggressive behavoir??

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You should rather open a conference room of Vatican where you only invite those that agree with you if you are not able to take different opinions in an open discussion. A discussion where only few are welcome is not to be placed in the players ask players part of this game. If you open a threat here you have to live with all my anwers wether you agree with them or not Gregory.

Chill out or you'll suffer the consequences!

Also what a stupid thing to say:

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It is not playing to do RP with an NPC for it can't be used for the game itself but only in the board doing no harm to anyone.

It is playing and influence the game! To say the rp have nothing to do with the game is complete stupid!
The rp it's a re-created mirror of the events in the game and influence the future decisions and actions in the game. Of course if you don't play with your knight, but use a NPC instead, you can do anything, there is no mirror and you take an unfair advantage compared with the others!
My char. image was badly affected by the actions of such cheaters who use to play with a NPC instead of their knight.
And to say this game isn't about your knight is the same with to say the earth is not round or the water is not liquid! Of course you can argue the earth is not round and the water is in fact a colloidal suspension of fine particles who are not particular liquid, but can be solid or gaseous or whatever you want to sustain, but such point of view are made only for the sake of contradiction.

My only fault is to adress my opinions to you as they refer on the statements you make.
You can not ban me for this and noone else will do. It's ridiculous.

RP is only influencing the game if people allow it. But such things are as randomly caused by the readers mind if an NPC writes something as if a PC does. In fact there would be no difference if the religious leaders would be as well the characters or just an NPC of the player. The fact we can make a difference between them only causes a more interesting and entertaining developement of characters. Even with the freedom to express two opinions as a player by creating two totally different characters.

No, playing with an imaginary NPC character instead of your knight is cheating, since you cannot be accused of anything, you are not bind to respect the principle of reality and the other rules of RP and the attempt to avoid the rules is cheating!
Your NPC character you use to play with it can fly over the land, while your knight cannot, your imaginary character you use to play with it instead of your knight can live forever, but your knight cannot, you can invent any attributes for your imaginary character you use to play instead of your knight and nobody can contradict you, because the principle of reality don't work.
To make myself clear for everybody: You can create as many NPC as you want to be the entourage of your knight, develop them as much as you want, ( I'll do for sure!), but don't play one of them instead of your knight, that's the point!
The rest are only attempts to say the water is not liquid..

An interesting way to say it, comparing another ways to see the KH experience to scientific models. Those allow expressing and sharing ideas better, and expand knowledge, enable creating more advanced science, and enhance learning. They don't exist just for the sake of contradiction. Nor do different viewpoints here. I hope it is not harrassment to point out that there is more than one way to play, and more than one way to see the gaming experience.

Considering KH to be about the story of a knight can be limiting. Obviously the player character has a crucial role, but as I see it the game is not exclusively about one's character. KH is also a collaborative writing effort where the contribution of everyone builds and develops the virtual KH world our characters exist and interact in. Actions can make the world more plausible or less credible, and they can make it a good place for rp or, so filled with anger and spite that good writers would rather just leave, which would be unfortunate for everybody. It is not irrelevant how one's actions affect everybody else and their RP.

Gregory, though it is most painful, but I have to agree to the other side. One thing I like about the americans is the case law, therefore I prefer using examples.
If I am unhappy with Gregory as pope I can announce that a conclave is held by enemies of Gregory and make Mournier as counter pope. He can then travel in a few moves to courts and introduce himself. A thing you cannot do, as you are bound to game limits.
But the power of that counter pope is limited to the words and the peoples perception of his words. Will they follow him or ignore that stupid old idiot. That is an RP answer which might affect the game play, as real players could follow him.
If Julian creates an NPC who hates you it is obvious that your rp created a situation Julian likes to attack with words. If that NPC can collect PCs as followers then you are simply less convincing with your style then this character is. If Julian would do the same with his PC it would have the same effect, but look worse in RP.

It is not the world plotting against you, simply your character has a lot of edges and people are currently joining the other side of the flock.

Seighin Cumhaill wrote:

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Whether KH is the story of a knight is debatable. In my view, it is not. Rather, it is a co-written story of the world in which we all play, and our player characters are simply a crucial means by which to contribute. NPCs are another way to do the same. That's why I am just.. or nearly.. as unhappy about godmodding other players' NPCs as I am about godmodded PCs.

This I agree, and do not accept it done to me. As was shown the NPC is the writers creation. They are not a free will for any to manipulate. I have a simple theory in RP. God mod any of my creations, and I will god mod back worse. For instance Gregory attempted to God mod my npc yesterday. I was pleasant in the response. Taking back control of my creation. Next time I may have a nice heavenly fireball fall from the sky taking out the pope himself. Is that nice? Nope, but it's a god mod for a god mod. A player can try to have an action against my NPC or character, but it is up to me as the creator if it succeeds or not.

NPCs and the characters are the creation of the writer. Thus their reactions to a situation would be only known to the writer. Thus only the writer would know if they would run away or stand up and resist. Only the original writer would know if they would be afraid at all. If another player would like to take such an integral role upon anothers npc. Well then they will need to first privately ask permissions of the originating author. I have killed NPC's in other RP's before. Is no reason to have a superman NPC, and it can be acceptable. Not just taken though.

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Gregory, though it is most painful, but I have to agree to the other side. One thing I like about the americans is the case law, therefore I prefer using examples.
If I am unhappy with Gregory as pope I can announce that a conclave is held by enemies of Gregory and make Mournier as counter pope. He can then travel in a few moves to courts and introduce himself. A thing you cannot do, as you are bound to game limits.
But the power of that counter pope is limited to the words and the peoples perception of his words. Will they follow him or ignore that stupid old idiot. That is an RP answer which might affect the game play, as real players could follow him.
If Julian creates an NPC who hates you it is obvious that your rp created a situation Julian likes to attack with words. If that NPC can collect PCs as followers then you are simply less convincing with your style then this character is. If Julian would do the same with his PC it would have the same effect, but look worse in RP.

It is not the world plotting against you, simply your character has a lot of edges and people are currently joining the other side of the flock.

First of all, if Mournier could be the pope, I will be now in my beloved England, and not trying to help the christian nations! I'm thinking to transform Gregory into a martyr, return with the new one in England and let the Church in the greedy hands of those who desperate wants to grabs it, not in a normal way, since it wasn't possible for them, but using all kind of tricks, attacking my char. and also insult me as player in order to make me quit.
But Mournier as NPC cannot be the pope, we had that debate once. It must be a real player in order to be the pope. Still your argument is valid, but only for a real player, not a NPC, and that was my point!

About the second example, it's not about who is more convincing, the pope or Julian, it's about who are interested to join Julian and who is not! If Julian would do the same with his PC, he won't be able to accuse the pope of things in the way he did, the whole propaganda and the offenses he spread about his opponent, the pope will be impossible. He it will be in impossibility to take an unfair advantage by the fact he don't play with his knight, but with an invented NPC. If Julian have so many followers, why he is afraid to call the elections for the patriarch leader of orthodox in the same way the catholic nations elect the pope?
Not much as authority for a self-named leader of orthodox, isn't it?

If you like so much the american case law, care to comment the ones I use it to demonstrate my point in the same way I did with yours?

Gregory, again:
I never attacked you as a player on any public board. I never tried to mob you to get you out of the game.
When you read your own postings you will notice that you attacked me repeatedly though. I think the main reason for this is that you do not distinguish between the player on the one hand and his PC and NPCs on the other hand.

Attacking a char in roleplay can not be a problem. It is part of roleplay. Gregory attacked Alar, Alar attacked Gregory, Sergios attacked Gregory, Gregory attacked Sergios. - There is no problem in the roleplay.

Now you say that it s kind of unfair that Gregory can fight and thus be caught fighting while Sergios can not.
As you might remember, the first characters to blame Gregory from fighting have been PCs.
I guess that is also unfair, since those PCs allowed to fight by the role in roleplay?

I think you have to see that the Pope is a special role. It has some advantages, since you have influence on every Christian nation. And it has disadvantages since fighting in a war contradicts the role.

The question if Sergios is a PC or a NPC has no influence on the features of the role "pope".

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I never tried to mob you to get you out of the game.

It is that so? What was "Holy Synod in Constantinople" then lately? I think your problem is you try to cheat and want to get along with this, using a NPC instead of your knight, avoid all the rules (game rules and rp rules) and using this unfair advantage not to make a good rp, but attacking other players who stand in your ways, who must be removed because your ambitious plans your NPC self-named leader of orthodox to become the leader of entire christian. You are ridiculous, since you're afraid to call elections for the leader of orthodox and get some legitimacy!

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you do not distinguish between the player on the one hand and his PC and NPCs

How you get this conclusion? You had a "mystic revelation"? Since you just accuse me of a thing, but don't present any arguments.

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Now you say that it s kind of unfair that Gregory can fight and thus be caught fighting while Sergios can not.
As you might remember, the first characters to blame Gregory from fighting have been PCs.

It doesn't matter what other PC did or not, some blame Gregory, some don't, the problem is how you play a NPC instead of your knight to mob Gregory in an unfair way, to damage my char.
Your fable excuse that "other PC did the same" won't help to cover the fact you are cheating using a NPC instead of your knight to attack a PC!

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And it has disadvantages since fighting in a war contradicts the role.

That's your opinion, my opinion is that a militant pope in the service of christian is better than a love preaching one when christian are butchered around him! But that's another subject!

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The question if Sergios is a PC or a NPC has no influence on the features of the role "pope".

It is that so? The fact that you use to play with a NPC named Sergios instead of your knight as it should be and use it to mob Gregory, to damage his reputation with accusations that your NPC cannot be accused due the cheating way to play has no influence?
And even now when you was caught, you still continue to deny the evidence?
But I think somebody who try to cheat have no shame..