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Re:The conclave in Ravenna      09.10.2010 01:54:31 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
St. Thomas Bennett, Archbishop of Westminster receive Abel Syarco letter from Gregory, being a matter of Church it is for the Church and not for the King to decide.
Only Mournier is older than him, he saw and had the confession of all England kings and nobles. For a moment he remember the good old days of Richard Lionheart before Viking invasion, a time of peace and prosperity, a time it seems never return with these Northern Warlords still in place.
He remember the young knight Sigfried bravery, who save his country from the hands of invaders, fighting like a lion and drive them back. But it is well known the knights of England are the bravest on world, they all use to fight as a lion for king and country.
Vague remember the first Stuart on throne, maybe he was wise but older knights was not content with him as king.
The most glorious was by far England Champion Argorian de Wolfe reign. It was the time England shine like a sun over the Europe, our armies victorious all the time and great tournaments was held for the king and country honor and glory.
Too bad he and Sigfried never understood each other, too much pride on both sides that makes England Champion, the best knight on earth to choose the exile.

Very old already, St. Thomas Bennett use to live with his memories and refuse all the honors, including the Cardinal position for England, letting the young bishop of Cantebury, John Altus to be blessed as Cardinal for England.

He return to the Abel Syarco letter and read it with great attention, trying to see the man behind the words. The wisdom beyond the years of the young priest seems a sign he is guided by the Gospel, looks like God himself choose him to be his servant and guide his path.

QUOTE:
Dear Brother Abel Syarco

It is obvious to me that your wisdom beyond the years it is a sign you're guided by the Gospel and you're the right person chosen by God to lead the Christendom in His Name.
Only a blind or those stone hearted by envy and earthly foul ambitions cannot recognize in your kind message His Words of wisdom.
You call His sheep to come back to Him in peace and unity!
My dear brother, I was touched by your message and we pray every day to thanks Our Lord for sending you and that you will accomplish the task God put on you.
You have fully England's Church support.
Be blessed, Abel Syarco!

Humble servant of the Church,
St. Thomas Bennett, Archbishop of Westminster
 
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Re:The conclave in Ravenna      09.10.2010 02:29:04 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
While still writing the reply to the blessed brother Abel Syarco, another message come from Poland. Even being late and powered by his age St. Thomas Bennett decide to read it at once. It was a great joy to see Poland Church revive and the words of wisdom of Bishop Bozydar make him only regret he didn't meet this brother earlier. The parabolas, similar the ones in the Holy Bible speak more than a thousand words of explanations and St. Thomas was deeply impressed by such message not touched by the evil politics or petty interests.

Even his body hardly follow his spirit, the Archbishop start to write the reply:

QUOTE:
Dear Bishop Bozydar, Bishop of Poland

With great joy we receive your letter and read your words full of wisdom. Indeed, even someone mistake is big, throwing the anathema should never be a vindictive penalty, not drive them away from the Church, but directed to return the lost sheep on the right path. It's like open the sinner's eyes and heart to see the light, not abandon him in the hands of the evil, like you put it so well in the parabolas.

In the matter of choosing a shepherd for the Christian flock, you are right that cannot be done in haste and only after a careful consideration. Still I must draw your attention is for the Catholic community in the whole to decide about the shepherd and choose the pope, not for a few individuals.

That was the way of the Church all the time, we don't know what you refering when say: "We remember old, archaic, practice, when Roman people choose Pope.", because never the Roman people alone choose or can decide the fate of all Catholic community!

I urge you to listen the full of wisdom message of Brother Abel Syarco and see it's guided by the Gospel as God Chosen One, we have no doubt about that!
You shows much wisdom in your words, I'm sure you can see God's message in Abel Syarco mouth.
I'm sure you'll be able to rise above local petty political interests the earthly kings are bound, because our kingdom is in heavens.

I hope to live enough one day we meet and you share with me more of your words of wisdom.
Be blessed in the name of God!

Humble servant of the Church,
St. Thomas Bennett, Archbishop of Westminster

 
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Re:The conclave in Ravenna      10.10.2010 17:59:15 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
QUOTE:
Dear Brothers in Faith

We will sonn meet at Ravenna, and we could talk face by face. I decided to not write private letters, and all questions I'll answer to all of yours, as we will do in few days. Pater St. Thomas aksed me about two things.
Firstly about Abel's candidacy - Unfortunately I did not receive any letter from pater Abel. Its a big loss to write only to few persons, when we all have to choose. I hope that I could soon listen to Abel's voice.
Secondly - pater St. Tomas asked me about History of Church.
If I remember well (I have got only Holly Book by myself), we had many Popes, which were not chosen at Conclave. In dark times of 9th century, son of Bonosus was raised to the pontificate by the acclamation of the clergy. We know him as Pascale Massimi. After his death Franks supported Eugenius. Emperor was so stupid and proud, that he proclaimed Constitutio Romana. There we can read "No pope should be consecrated until his election had the approval of the Frankish emperor". Next bishop of Rome was unanimously elected by the clergy, the nobility and people of Rome et cetera, et cetera.
We have to remember that bishop of Rome, is bishop of Rome. Romans had opportunity to choose his own bishop, as we always had with our bishops.
Bishop of Rome is Pontifex Maximus, and we should have opportunity to decide who will be our Ruler, Father of our community. We should, but we DONT have to.

My guard and ward in one person - Chancellor Jjah, asked me "why we will choose leader, when we have yet another one?". It was simple and stupid provocation.. but he provoked me, provoked to THINK.
Roman clergy chose their Bishop. And it was their right! But now we have to give answer:
- do we accept Bishop of Rome as our Leader? Or will we look for a new one?
Fathers of Church had chosen Bishop of Rome as Leader. They read in Bible this words "et ego dico tibi quia tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam et tibi dabo claves regni caelorum et quodcumque ligaveris super terram erit ligatum in caelis et quodcumque solveris super terram erit solutum in caelis (Mt 16:18-19 - "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."). And they understood it as Primacy of Peter. Peter and his successors are "Primus inter Pares".
We dont have to listen to Fathers of Church. We can chose our Leader by ourselves. But is it nessesary? I am waiting for your answers.


I wanted to ask questions to all of.. Candidates and to Bishop of Rome (as Vicarius Principis Apostolorum) becase I have to know WHO says through their words.

1. How should we treat Pagans?
Once.. was Great Kingdom of Proud Pagans. Then their King died. They chose a new King - Wise christian nobleman - we can called him Arthur. Arthur was babtized. He knew doctrine of God. What should he have done? Teach pagans our Truth and Salvation, or leave they in Ignorance and Unawareness? Arthur allowed pagans warriors to chose. He was a true christian, or as christian Monarch he sinned, because he SHOULD have given them the Truth, and he DIDN'T.

2. Could a Pope could a subject of any King? Or must he be beyond all monarchs. Why am I asking you? I heard that one of us will be our Leader and subject of his King.

3. Who, when and how can excominicated others.

4. How should our Church be? Bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals - who could choose, ordain their etc.

5. And last but not least - How can we increase the Authority of Holly Church? Power of wisdom, power of strength, or economic power (tithe)
Why tithe? Because our Lord said:
"a diebus enim patrum vestrorum recessistis a legitimis meis et non custodistis revertimini ad me et revertar ad vos dicit Dominus exercituum et dixistis in quo revertemur si adfiget homo Deum quia vos configitis me et dixistis in quo confiximus te in decimis et in primitivis et in penuria vos maledicti estis et me vos configitis gens tota inferte omnem decimam in horreum et sit cibus in domo mea et probate me super hoc dicit Dominus si non aperuero vobis cataractas caeli et effudero vobis benedictionem usque ad abundantiam (Mal. 3:7-10).


I wait for answers, and I'm moving to Holly City
gratia vobis et pax ab eo qui est et qui erat et qui venturus est (Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come)
Bishop Bozydar


- Im affraid that we will have new war, Dear Son
- War? Again? Witold just (almost) finished one! Who will fight against who? - asked Virilis
- Brothers against brothers.. my son. We have to pray about peace.
 
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Re:The conclave in Ravenna      10.10.2010 22:34:26 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
Abel Syarco and his fellow knights, Arac and Duncan der Finstere, finally arrived in Ravenna.
Abel decides to call his brother of blood Philip, who was travelling along with them, to make sure he was goin' to be able to do everything he could about this hard task God gave him. Uniting Christianity never seemed so hard.

"Philip, Can you get me some inkt and parchment? I will be going to need them in the following days probably. Just like I am goin' to need your support, my brother. I have my doubts if I can actually succeed at this job. The letters two letters I have read during our journey came from Jjah Virilis of Poland and from our King Alrik. It seems that Saxony and the Papal States are going to war."

Philip quickly replied, "But that is horrible Abel, can't we stop this madness? I thought you said we were coming here to try and UNITE Christianity, not to go further on the devil's path of dividing brothers in faith!"

Abel looked at the blue sky and the green grass of Ravenna. "I wish we could Philip, but I fear that the King would overrule all letters I could send as Foreign Minister. I doubt anything we will say will change anything about this situation. But please go and borrow some inkt and parchment somewhere. We can always try our best. And we will just see where God leads us."

Philip walked away and Abel wanted to go and pray, but something stopped him. If all of this was in God's divine plan all along anyway praying wasn't going to help him much. Besides he thought to himself, to try and interrupt God's divine plan is kinda rude after all. So instead he just went to look for a nice overview of the surrounding area. You never knew when knowledge of an area could be useful so short before another horrible war.
 
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Conclave Postponed , and maybe even canceled.      11.10.2010 14:36:23 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
QUOTE:
To all who are attending the Conclave.

The conclave is postponed , due to the war between Saxony and the Papal states.

Also My nation is going to get reformed about the christian church , either to support Snorre or not , until then we're canceling the Conclave and when the reformations end we will see to it if we stay the old way it was we will host the conclave.

Your christian brother

Ban Moroplovac
King of Croatia
Previous holder of the conclave.


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Re:Conclave Postponed , and maybe even canceled.      11.10.2010 15:00:11 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
- you read that? - asked Virilis - I dont believe.. His Cowardice canceled Conclave. Unbelievable!
- strange, my Son, but please, DO NOT write to him. Any word! Its my job.

QUOTE:
To His Prudence
King of Croatia

Im very surprised. We cant demand hospitality from Your Highness. We cant demand nothing.
But we ask you, as our christian brother:
What is more important - war between some Nations, or our Church?!
Why you resign to be a holder of Conclave?
What mean that resignation? You support Bishop of Rome, or you resign your Faith?!

I hope that Your Majesty have good reasons. In other case it was anti-Christian act

sad and confused
Bishop of Kaszuby
Bozydar


- I think that we should find new Faith for us.. here is to many quarrel about.. nothing
- said sad Virilis
 
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Re:Conclave Postponed , and maybe even canceled.      11.10.2010 15:17:18 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
QUOTE:
To
Bishop of Kaszuby
Bozydar

Well as I said , or you just fast read the title of the message.

We're having inner reforms , And I'm currently negotiating with Snorre about holding the conclave without the necessery wars.

So excuse me for making such a rash decision , but it was mine to make and I made it , you can go right ahead and negotiate with Alrik about the new site of the Conclave , but until we're done reforming our church there won't be any conclaves in Croatia.

Ban Moroplovac
King of Croatia


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Re:Conclave Postponed , and maybe even canceled.      11.10.2010 15:27:40 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
Cardinal Mournier was shocked when he read the note from Ban Marovlopac. Also having almost arrived in Ravenna, the burgundian clerics turned their carrion, but a lot of notes were send around the world to all christian communities.

QUOTE:
Dear brothers and sisters in faith,
another unimaginable insult has been done to our mother church with this croatian warlord cancelling the conclave and putting his interests higher than those of the church. As luckily Burgundy is not far away from Ravenna and just having finally quit the long war, I would like to invite you to our home city for the new conclave needed to reform our church. Please send a private note to me, if you like some additional discussions. Otherwise I expect all representants until end of January in Burgundy.

Cardinal Mournier


"Yes, this note will also go to the christian communities in the Papal States and England. I would like to understand what their opinion is".
 
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Re:Conclave Postponed , and maybe even canceled.      11.10.2010 15:34:39 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
QUOTE:
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Cardinal Mournier

As far as i can see , the reason was not for myself , where rather I'm trying to avoid another christian war between the Papal states and who support it against who don't support them.

Canceling the conclave makes more time to change your minds about how you should react to Snorre and Ansgar.

Well that's what I'm doing right now.

What are my "personal" interests in this? I see them none. Neither i got silver for your passage , nor i have got anything to gain by going to the conclave.

Canceling the Conclave makes me stand on neutral ground , not against any christian. But if you want so desperatly to hold a conclave then hold it somewhere else.

I'm resigning from candidate for Pope also. I'm not willing to be a shepherder of christians who long for war.

Ban Moroplovac
Rex Croatorum


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Re:Conclave Postponed , and maybe even canceled.      11.10.2010 16:00:06 --- 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
QUOTE:
To King Ban Moroplovac

You are wrong. Your decision do not help us - us CHRISTIANS!
You need time? Time for what? For war between Saxony and Papal States? Why?
You will join to this catholic who will win? It is neutrality? No it is stupidity!
Will be trustworthy and responsible. Even Pagans Monarchs know what it means!

If you want to support Bishop of Rome as our Leader - DO THAT, do that at Conclave.
You took us the opportunity to choose our Leader!

disappointed
Bishop Bozydar
 
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