Ban ,a re you claiming Duklja wasn't populated by serbs?

Serbs ruled in Duklia, it was Serbs Kingdom, even if had other name.
In game we had Duklja and that Kingdom changed his name to Serbia. Like in RL (maybe not exactly in this case)

Oscar von Reuenthal wrote:

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Ban ,a re you claiming Duklja wasn't populated by serbs?

exactly the oposite , I'm telling you that they were serbs , but they called their kingdom : Kingdom of Duklja , and not Kingdom of Serbia.

so I guess then We won't change the name of Croatia either. Because Croatia wasn't only called Croatia , but was called Kingdom of Croatia , Dalmatia and Slavonia. With a special coat of arms in that honor.

But what if we called ourselves Kingdom of Slavonia and had all the territory of those 3 kingdoms? Would then my nation be named Slavonia? I think so , that it would be named. But you then deny the fact that the serb kingdom was called Kingdom of Duklja.

Now please lock this thread or at least let's continue without insutls. Like Lazar's and Gruffudd's , both of them are calling me an idiot and a dog , and they call themselves mature?

I haven't insulted them in any manner , whitslist they continue to do it. Call this crying if you want Lazar , but you're no human being for your constant insults.

I never called you one, i just asked if you were and you replied affirmatively


Quoting myself, the things i do for you Ban.

Knez Lazar wrote:

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Ban Moroplovac wrote:

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THIS THREAD ISN'T FOR NAME CHANGING OF SERBIA , HERE WE DEBATE ON SERBIA'S HISTORY. NO NAME CHANGING WILL HAPPEN UNLESS THEIR NATION AGREES. AND THAT'S FINAL.

Ban Moroplovac wrote:

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So are we going to take a Rascian Duchy in gmae or a Dukljan Kingdom?

You cant take anything, apart from my shoe up your behind. :P

Ban Moroplovac wrote:

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....but wouldn't it be fair for them to just name their nation right for once?

Notice the irony? Now go bark up some tree, will you? :silly:

Ban Moroplovac wrote:

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Oscar von Reuenthal wrote:

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Ban ,a re you claiming Duklja wasn't populated by serbs?

exactly the oposite , I'm telling you that they were serbs , but they called their kingdom : Kingdom of Duklja , and not Kingdom of Serbia.

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Ban, what a kingdom is called in RL is up to the ruler and people of this kingdom. Same applies here.
Also about the Capitals, they were moved sometimes - when the dynasties changed, when territorial changes occurred or for a lot of other reasons. But all reasons were either internal or because the former capital was conquered. So I only see reason for moving the Serbian capital if they want it.

Lazar, off-topic doesn't mean off-decency. And we don't want to know "The things you do for love" ( I hope your sig means you get my meaning )

Jamie Lanister if I recall well?

I tried being decent for like 3 posts, then i saw no result and just went carefree mode

Knez Lazar wrote:

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Jamie Lanister if I recall well? :laugh:

I tried being decent for like 3 posts, then i saw no result and just went carefree mode :woohoo:

the first two aare shjowing evidence and the 3rd is already one insulting me , and the list goes on and on! xD

Kingdom of Duklja was called Kingdom of Duklja and not Serbia because its King wasn't entitled to call him self King of all Serbs because he wasn't.
It took him (or his successors) some time to conquer other Serbian Kingdoms (Principalities) for him to gain a right on that title.
But its people and that title was present there all the time, and it served like a goal for many monarchs.

We as a Dukljan Kingdom expanded to abnormal size to be still called that, it was funny to see Dukljan Kingdom expanded on all western Balkans... Thus we changed the name to Serbia.

@Hoern, said that he doesn't want to change a location of the castle (AGAIN) he will only change the name and the coat of arms.

End of discussion

Emperor Ljudislav, I've been telling that to Ban in like... 20 posts I doubt he can understand.

clearly Ban is an oppressed child here, and I suggest for us to find a psychologist so he/she can tell us of a proper way to tell Ban that he is wrong, without him running around enraged.
He cannot handle the burden of serious discussions, and he will only annoy people more and more with his stubborn childish behavior, making things up, lying and contradicting himself (despite us being able to just -READ AGAIN- what he wrote), and I don't think he will stop until some of us say to him "You won the game, Croatia is the best".
Ban, complex-therapy kind of games are for SINGLE PLAYER!

Principality of Serbia 800 - 960

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Unification under Caslav, annexation of Rascia (927 - 960)

So, how would we call Principality of Serbia as Rascian Duchy, when Rascia was annexed much later?
Here is an explanation:

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The state(s) anachronistically called Raska were first known collectively as Serbia.

The name Rascia is used by modern historiography to refer to the mainland region (known in Serbian as the hinterlands, in contrast to the maritime fiefs of the Adriatic coast) of the Principality of Serbia inhabited and ruled by Serbs; the seat of the early medieval state of Serbia. It is used to describe Serbia up to Stefan Nemanja (1166 - 1196) or the forming of the Kingdom of Serbia in 1217. "Rascia" continued to serve as an exonym for Serbia in West European sources since late 12th century, along with other names such as Servia and Slavonia.
The name is derived from the name of the region's most important fort, Ras.

The Kingdom of Duklja (1053-1100)

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At some point during his rule, Michael acquired the title of King. Most scholars place this date to 1077, when he received a legate from the Pope referring to him as the King of Slavs. However, Curta suggests that Michael may have been King as early as 1053, since he proclaimed himself "King" sometime after receiving the protostrator title from the Emperor. However, formal recognition as King in medieval Europe required acknowledgement either from the Pope or the Byzantine Emperor. Either way, he was King by 1077.

It's the first Serbian kingdom, but cannot be called Kingdom of Serbia, because it was only Duklja in it, not all the Serbia. Either way, not lasted long, being conquered by the Byzantines in 1101.

The Serbian Kingdom (1217)

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Since the Roman Catholic Church already had ambitions to spread its influence to the Balkans as well, Stefan Nemanja used these propitious circumstances to obtain his crown from the Pope, thereby becoming the first Serbian king, in 1217. In Byzantium, his brother Sava managed to secure autocephaly (independence) for the Serbian Church and became the first Serbian archiepiscope in 1219.

Kingdom or not kingdom (recognized by the Pope or the Byzantine Emperor), Serbia was there as state before the reference year 1000 and the fact that temporary was conquered exactly in the year 1000 should not lead to false conclusions.

I presented the things in the way I discover it, as a personal point of view, not as a conclusion and I must thank Ban and the other players to give me the reasons to have a look in detail on such interesting page of history.