Copied from Oscar von Reuenthal:

Knez Lazar wrote:

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Oscar von Reuenthal wrote:

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(OOC: Don't use modern terminology for medieval times. There is a strong reason that the game has no "Core-province" mechanics - and it is that there was no such thing at that time)

OOC: So you're saying that whole RP of peace treaties surrendering territories/annexation of territories is totally useless. We could just win what we want and conclude peace, without any say in what shire is left with what nation? I call that bull. Also, just because you can google a word, doesnt mean you understand what occupation means. http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/guthrum.html -> Clearly shows that lands were subject to peace treaties thus, the term annexation did exist, tho maybe not the word itself.

OOC:
Knez Lazar, don't twist my words and don't accuse me before you understand what I'm talking about.

I never said anything about annexation, nor about peace treaties.
I said that claim on the territory is one thing and owning it another thing. Claims on provinces mostly are about lands that aren't owned at the moment by the nation, but that have been owned in the past. And owning means the administration of that region is done by a certain nation in the moment.

Treaties have existed long before Middle Ages I don't renounce them in any way. Treaties do settle claims and give mutually agreed document that defines who wons who but only between the signers of the treaty and only as far as the treaty is valid. No treaty between two countries gives eternal ownership that third countries must oblige to keep.

Annexation means addition. In case of nations and diplomacy it's just adding more territory to one country. I don't see where it contradicts to the fact that in the future things may change.

And about the "Don't use modern terminology" thing - it was meant to be about the use of "Core-provinces" and "occupation". Those terms never existed in medieval times. And about claims on provinces, which was the nearest term to "core-province", above I explained that there is difference between these.

And google about occupation (and about when it became a term) before accusing me I don't know what it means.

To give you an example from your history, when Serbia conquered a lot of territory from Byzantium and became Empire and had treaty with Byzantium, recognizing it's territory, did that mean that The Ottomans can't later come conquer all that land and call it part of their Empire?

And, please, MODs, move this and all possible future OOC talk out of this thread into off-topic one.