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Valdemar von Vetinari

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The Call of Justice      13.10.2011 19:13:43 --- 7 Months, 1 Week ago  
QUOTE:
To all except Poland:

For six months now Rostov has successfully defended against the numerous Polish and Bavarian forces. The Bavarians have not even declared war, violating every unwritten law in the conduct of war. Our knights, although inexperienced, have kept them away and finally expelled the polish minions from all Kiev shires except their capital. Do not let Poland mislead you, Kiev is in no way the undefended and fluffy creature that Poland describes. I do not call undefended a nation that has the backing of the only superpower on the continent. Kiev is simply a mindless state ruled by Polish knights who have no other policy, internal or external, except to defend Poland at all costs. Rostov is against such puppet states and considers it an insult for Kiev people to be ruled by mercenaries paid by Poland. We cannot live quietly our lives while Poland creates such mockery of independence and states as Kiev. We are not the bandits that Poland describes. We attacked Kiev knowing very well that we will stand against Poland, we know that we are few, we know that we are nothing compared to the power of Poland, however we also know that there are certain things that we cannot allow to go on.
I would like to remind everyone of the history of Rostov, not quite well known to all perhaps, but quite motivational in our struggle against Poland. When we have just created our nation, we required help from Poland in conquering shires. That was our first encounter with their arrogance – they demanded vassalage and money from a fledging nation. The Pechenegs on the other hand helped us without wanting anything in return. Just an year later, when we were building our nation, Poland was fighting Saxony and wanted us to bar Saxony from entering our lands. At the time, we had not a single nag, so how were we supposed to stop Saxony? We asked Poland and they said that it does not matter if all of our shires burn or all of us are killed – we had to fight Saxony because Poland said so. That is only an short excerpt from all the insults that Poland has caused us.
Polish arrogance is well known and they have always held everyone else in contempt. If you consider yourself a Polish ally, think again – they use everyone else as buffers and meat shields in order to save their own skin. Kiev is only an example for such a state – remember that the only country that Poland has a special relationship is Poland itself, all else are simply tools to further the endless Polish ambitions.
I hope that you will support Rostov in our struggle against the despotic state of Poland. Do not let fear or weakness overcome you, there must always be someone to stand against the likes of Poland.

Sincerely,

Valdemar von Vetinari, Foreign Minister of Rostov


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Re:The Call of Justice      14.10.2011 12:55:05 --- 7 Months, 1 Week ago  
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To Rus nation of Rostov,

Salutations, brothers in blood and faith.
This is the first time I hear about your troubles with Poland, and if all this is true, I can understand your rage, but is sneaky war the right reaction?
You could have called out for assistance and negotiations, Serbian Empire would be there to stand for justice and righteousness, but instead you decided to attack Poland while it was in another war, and not only that, you called out the Catholic religion of Kievan Rus nobles as wrongful, yet, you ally yourself with Smolensk turncloaks, who abandoned Orthodox culture only to bend the knee to Rome.
Is this the cause you are fighting for?

Brothers Rus, hear my plea, abandon this warfare and seek peace with the Poles, Serbia will make efforts to make it a fair one and long-standing.

With sincerity,
*signed and sealed with a red wax dragon - Gruffudd, Prince of Serbia, Grand Master of the Order of St. Mathew*


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Re:The Call of Justice      15.10.2011 00:29:30 --- 7 Months, 1 Week ago  
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To Gruffudd, Prince of Serbia, Grand Master of the Order of St. Mathew

I understand your good intentions and I believe that you personally are a true noble; however I would like to make a few things clear about the relationship between Poland and Rostov.
First of all, we never attacked Poland and not a single Rostov knight has stepped inside Poland proper (considering as a border 302, 352). The same could not be said for Poland, who at this very moment is inside a core Rostov shire and we will battle them there tomorrow. Of course we defied the will of the power that claimed to be the guardian of the East as we want to be independent and understood the consequences. Poland does not want to relinquish its claim and its actions in support of Kiev are a demonstration of that.
Also, it is interesting to note how Poland rushed to help Kiev without having any alliance or known agreement with them, which just reinforces all our claims previously said about Kiev. It continues to shamelessly use them as a buffer, so I hope you will understand our position against puppets in the lands of Rus.
You ask us why we are using Smolensk as an ally and I will honestly tell you – because there is no one else who could be an ally. However, is it not said “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone”? I clearly see how you rush to support a catholic nation, while according to your own logic you should only rejoice at the demise of a catholic state. Remember for example your old orthodox allies like the Romans, who were always there for you and defended you throughout the conflict with Croatia, despite the losses they had to endure. Do not overestimate the value of the Polish help in your last war, as they only reaped the benefits of a stalemate brought by your fighting and not theirs.
Now you rush to help catholics and will only drag the Romans into another conflict. Why don’t you stay out of this war and recover from the wounds of the previous one? Rostov will do its best to see justice done in the steppes against the oathbreakers and the people who want to rule the world, there is no need for you to help catholics who are mad for power, break their vows, and attack without declaring war

Sincerely,

Valdemar von Vetinari, Foreign Minister of Rostov


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Re:The Call of Justice      16.10.2011 09:58:42 --- 7 Months, 1 Week ago  
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To Valdemar von Vetinari, Foreign Minister of Rostov,

Again, I understand your concerns, but it does not justify your acts.
Polish Foreign Minister passed me the exchange of letters with your nation in this attachment, which shows that you attacked Kiev yet announcing to the world that you are in fact moving against Poland manifested in Kiev, and you sent letters to Poland to show them your teeth, after that, your Grand Knyas announces that Rostov is moving out against Poland and Kiev, because Kiev is being held captive by Poland and doesn't let its culture to thrive, Orthodox Culture of Kiev, instead it forces its own beliefs, Catholic religion.
This is the part that confuses me the most.
At the moment, I see Kiev's official religion Orthodox branch of Christianity - not Catholic, correspondent to the majority of Russian folk in the land, yet I see your own ally Smolensk taking Catholic religion.

On the first look, it looks to me as hypocrisy. Perhaps your perspective will make me see the truth?

*signed and sealed with a red wax dragon - Gruffudd, Prince of Serbia, Grand Master of the Order of St. Mathew*


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Re:The Call of Justice      16.10.2011 23:32:19 --- 7 Months, 1 Week ago  
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To Gruffudd, Prince of Serbia, Grand Master of the Order of St. Mathew;

I am sorry for the late response, but some mercenaries were attacking Rostov land and I had to fight them back. Now that they are fleeing, I finally have some time to explain myself and send you a more detailed response.

The faith of Kiev is an interesting one, as we have seen that they were catholics at the start of the war. However, without any evidence of change and by the crossing out of a single word in an official document, that has NOT been even a declaration, they claim that things have changed. We in Rostov have a saying that the wolf may change the colour of its skin, but never his character, and I believe that is exactly what has happened.

As for showing our teeth, I hope that we are an independent nation and have the privilege to let others know our opinion. In the exact letter of my Knyaz I feel that he is just handing back the exact same insult that the Polish inflicted on him a few years ago.

Poland manifested in Kiev is a beautiful case where the Polish themselves produced the most meaningful evidence for our cause, evidence we dared not hope for. I have searched the entire diplomacy archive in Rostov, all official declarations in Europe, and never have I found a document pronouncing an alliance between Poland and Kiev. However, we accused them of such after assessing a lot of information and the Polish response clearly demonstrated that we were dead right. If upon our declaration Poland has said “we have nothing to do with Kiev, what you say is false”, we would have been condemned in front of all of Europe and would have had the image of murderers. That was a calculated risk we took, as the Polish reaction was immediate and self-exposing – they responded arrogantly and rushed to fight us with all haste. I do not think that any more evidence is needed to convince a sane person that Kiev is a puppet of Poland.

As far as hypocrisy goes, there are a few interesting cases I would like to point out. I hope you will agree that if Poland has used bad language to call a foreign ruler, it will be just for him to use the same language? As that is something that for example the Polish foreign minister does not seem to acknowledge. I have an even better case for hypocrisy though – why does Serbia remember about the God-forsaken war that rages in the steppes, a thousand kilometers from Serbia, at this very moment? Why did you not speak with your fellow Orthodox brothers at the beginning of this war and try to resolve any grievances? I believe the reason is that you see above all Poland as more important for your kingdom than a fellow orthodox nation. To be honest, I know that Poland has many more swords than we do and I completely understand your position in seeking protection from the largest nation in Europe. That is fine with me; just do not accuse others of actions that you yourself commit. I am personally doing my best to convert Smolensk to the true faith and I believe that will happen soon. Are you doing the same with Poland?

Also, I would like to add a suggestion - do not try to defend Poland, this is not your war, Serbia has suffered enough.

Sincerely,

Valdemar von Vetinari, Foreign Minister of Rostov


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