In a game that is ultimately about war? Knight's honor has no honor system, no complex economical system or to put in another way no other system then the system for making war.

of course some of you might say Knight's Honor is about Role Playing... Newsflash I am into tabletop roleplaying since my early high school years and I can tell you if it was just about roleplaying then all those cool fief income, shiny armor and high weapon skill abilities are a waste of space since they do not limit - or help you - define your character in any way (apart from the fact that his armor upgrades as his wealth improves) for example. All RP related posts I've seen so far are either totally detached from the game itself, or simply use major events to link their characters so they seem to exist within the realm of KoH. Therefore KoH system contributes little to the RP part of the game and a pure fiction forum would do nearly as much good.

Then we have war and politics. And the rotten apple. In a game where you wage as the only means to express your character prowess we've got sooo many peace lovers. I am not viewing merely the recent Rostov-Kiev-Poland engagement (for which Rostov actually has a solid CB ), but my overall impression of the game cycle for the previous months I've played. It appears that the cycle goes

Country ruler X gets bored because there isn't really anything much to be done besides waging war and DOWs someone.
Country ruler Z declares he will defend peace against the agression
Country ruler A and B join X because they are bored as well, not because they support a or could gain anything out of a war on the other side of the map
Country rulers C and D join Z in his fight for survival for the same reason of A and B, but they also feel righteous about it!
Both sides pillage each other until resources is exhausted and they make peace, rebuild, get bored and repeat the cycle

Now this wouldn't necessary be a bad thing because it involves wars, but the hypocrisy of the peace propaganda warfare is disgusting. Without war this game is dead. Aggressors the god guys here, not the bad. And what's worse most often then not the GOOD TM guys go and pillage their enemies instead of chivalrously defending the weak (yes i am looking at Poland pillaging Smolensk and Rostov while Kiev has 0 shires atm, but I am just biased about the example ). So why not abandon the hypocrisy and play the Dark Ages of opportunism, backstabbing, shifting alliances and constant warfare on local scale and pillaging raids. What exactly are titles Like Defender of Boredom for the East or 5 year peace treaties between the whole world trying to accomplish. The same goes for the most powerful countries allying each other. Yes - noone dares attack you. The game stagnates. What happens? Nothing... total dullness... except kicking out bored knights out of the game that aren't even allowed to post in the only board involving in game communication between the players - the country Diplomacy section..

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Why is it that everyone talks about world peace..

Honestly I don't know.
England never experience the tranquility of a long peace.

I think most people are having fun, which is the main thing.

Regarding war: if you want to wage war, you should indeed have a good reason and post it in the role-play section. Otherwise naturally everyone will declare your actions dishonorable, will consider you unreliable, any treaties you make useless and not worth the paper they are written on - and it could even conceivably cost you the support of your allies. What use is an ally you can't count on? This seems a relatively good check to encourage nations to keep a modicum of honor or at least a public facade of honor.

I would consider this more or less historically accurate - no matter if your excuse was extremely flimsy, you did need at least some excuse to declare war on someone.

Regarding RPs about activities besides war: I think the game structure does allow you plenty of background to write about the building of your fief, your income (or lack thereof), going shopping and trading, natural catastrophes befalling a shire.... And luckily permits everyone to write about anything that strikes their fancy, provided it fits the historical context.

Personally I would consider it a dead bore to write about war, war, war and war only – and besides the fact that I am relatively new to the game makes me a great expert about the first steps of fief building, but I don't know much about war yet. I am not a proponent of world peace for this game, but would consider war only extremely limiting.

No matter why you wage war, if you're strong and most of faction fear you, you'll always get called the bad one(The heretic, the warmonger, the pagan, the liar, a whore, whatever). But when you are weak and you call yourself a mercenary - you're OK cuz you're soo small and poor and you can do whatever without consequences....
So Politics in this game are quite fudged up, so what else can we do? We fight, despite fact theres nothing to gain out of it.
And why do people want peace? Because war takes time. You have to spend some time to make a strategy in order to win. And there's a pressure on you, what people obviously don't like.

Peter von Bulgar wrote:

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So why not abandon the hypocrisy and play the Dark Ages of opportunism, backstabbing, shifting alliances and constant warfare on local scale and pillaging raids.

Are you joking? You didn't noticed any of these in this game?
Oh, and I will add something on peace. In my opinion, new players want some stability on the beginning, without it they can perceive the game as a waste of time, and it's a job of the nation to provide a good place to live in.

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Why is it that everyone talks about world peace..

That is indeed a good question.

Like James I rarely experienced too long periods of peace because peace is boring and we use peace mostly to prepare for war anyway.

Allen presented some of the reasons for which some people prefer peace. The funny thing is that it's the kings who usually prefer peace, not the normal knights or counts. Those have less stuff to do in this game and they bored faster. But some kings just don't get that which is why we're having so many players leaving the game.

Than again, perhaps some of the "peace-loving" kings can answer that question , but I sort of know what they'll say and in my opinion their reasons can be summed up to "I'm too damn lazy to lead a war".

As a matter of fact, Sir Alar, i would like a little bit of peace right now because i have some business in real life ... but still i`m not complaining about waging a little war

Nah Allar what kills this game is that strongest are alied with 2nd strongest, there is no balance in game, i dont say anything against Poland and Serbia nor do i have anything against them but if you look from other side:

Who wants to fight war and he knew he allready lost it? Thats from weaker side

From stronger side: Who wants to fight and he already know he won it?

There's no fun in this... this game is made for wars and that kind of shit... but, what kind of wars?

Borna wrote:

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i dont say anything against Poland and Serbia nor do i have anything against them

Everyboy is aware of this, no need to remind us


Borna wrote:

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what kills this game is that strongest are alied with 2nd strongest, there is no balance in game

Btw - there are in this moment 214 warriors on defending side (most of them young, unexperienced, not having heavy items), trying to defend a large zone of Europe, against 171 warriors, most of them veterans, attacking same large zone so is already a clear advantage for attackers.
Anyone know it is much, much easier to attack than to defend something ...

Also - there are about 66 warriors who could interfere any moment - guess on wich side ? Yep - thw "weak" side ...
Ahhhh ... I forgot ... many of those "weak" nations claim they are entitled to be free to attack without any consequences ... Of course, why not ?

So anyone - please stop complaining ... fight or go home !

Wtf are you talking about are you out of your mind? Its easier to attack? Nope... not a chance in hell