James wrote:

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Arbro Gramleg wrote:

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You can not take out muliies by seeing the system. If they could use their accounts from the same ip,the system would had catch them ,and its up to 2 accounts the system leaves you free will more or less,and its only them you can ban. But if you log in 15 members,and they log in all the same day,all near the same hour,all having the same actions,with no RP board posts,with no Board reply,,.....,it means its the same person(s) from the Internet caffe center in the middle of a Internet complex near his home.
One of the Council duties it to evidence of multi-using. If they evidence it and nothing happens,why should we vote for something that dose not work?
Human mind is more effective then the system to catch up multies in this game. Use it.

Where is the evidence of those 15 members log in all near the same hour, because I don't see it? Log in every day and do the routine work as training, duel and build up your fiefdom is not an evidence of multis or else all the active players should be banned.

Just point out to a nation (possibly your in-game enemy) and say they are multis it's a grave accusation. If an evidence is not produced, you could be banned too.

The system and the administration work perfectly in every case of multis accusations. Remember only the recent cases of Brittany and Vesps, they was banned. But raffaele alberti it's a real player, who post, write messages and wants to play. Why you want to drive him out of the game, I may ask?

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Kalisto Dalenen: Raffaele i am not saying all of your are or was multies, but most are...so please stop to be the innocent victim of the comploct! If you wanna play and win so change game

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Kalisto Dalenen: are you worried or can't easy win here? why don't you change game?

Such behavior is not acceptable, Council of Knights defend the rights of all the players, including the right of raffaele alberti to play the game without being insulted and invited to leave the game!

I don't know him and I barely understand what he is trying to say in english, but I think you cross the line already in this case.

Have a look on Sicily:
abelix last visit: 2011-12-03 16 o'clock
Gigant73 last visit: 2011-12-03 15 o'clock
hxddr last visit: 2011-12-03 15 o'clock
William Iron Arm last visit: 2011-12-04 04 o'clock
Blessed Gerard last visit: 2011-12-04 02 o'clock
Preele last visit: 2011-12-04 03 o'clock

"they log in all the same day,all near the same hour,all having the same actions,with no RP board posts,with no Board reply".. are they multis?

The point was made that you suspect the named nations of multis. Now can you let us play the game and the administration do their work? This is not a real time game, folks! It needs time for any achievements in this game and honestly I don't see anybody staying all day long on the computer for months in order to develop 5, 10 or 15 knights. I barely have time to manage mine.

On conclusion, can we play the game without you whining all day long about multis and the administration who don't take any measure?

First raffaele alberti is sending circular message to half council insutling me and eddard the administrator, if other council member or administrator don't send it too you isn't my fault.

Second i look REGISTERED TIME NOT LAST VISIT is a much different. Do you think is normal that 3/4 of knights of zenata and veps registered in same days in nearly minutes with similar names?

Third many similar name in same nation that don't log for long days,

Fourth no RP, i have read at least 4-5 letters of Sicily king, also before this fact

Fifth Many Sicilian knight have post in their board as you can look by their profile, not all are female (as system by default put it) , most have an avatar...ok maybe only little thing but other doesn't have, NO ONE.

Last thing i said many times to Raffaele Alberti to stop insulting me or administrator saying we are in charge together and so on, i said many time to stop to play with multies and like the game as everyone (or most at least) do without multiusing, there are a lot of game where easy winnerws by using multi can be done. Don't forgot that Sicilian and Ifriquiya that mean around 15 true players are damaged cause Zenata Act (and i don't know about Veps)

So you have to control right of ALL players, i think you have to begin first to play first and his present and listen their complain before defend only someone after haven't read all discussion or know all events.

Now i'll post raffaele alberti message so you can have a compelte idea about him.

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Multi riders and nations who boast of countering
given the unfortunate events that took place with the King of Italy and the state of Zenata, it should be noted that those who supervise complaint does not make much of a good job, because I am sure and I challenge people to prove otherwise mentioned that cavaliari Italian ammazzasette, Lanzichenecco, lungobardo have multiple characters of another Italian knight Aiace Audace, so I seem a little taste of the holidays Italian rulers and administrators for their work in Zenata that is configured as a gift from the king and chancellor administrators Italian, what definitely does not guarantee the regularity of the game for Zenata but also for all other states participating in the game, certain that administrators will repent of their Italian operations and rulers do not propose in the future as an example of moralizing, you hold out greetings to involved and all the nations participating in the game
(i am still waiting is proofs, i'll ban them if true but till now i don't receive nothing and administrator don't ban yet them...)
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perhaps for the regularity of the game is better that you come out as chancellor from Italy and become free-rider as did the knights of Zenata you unjustly referred to as multi, also if you were aware of it and knowing that you have the opportunity to month was not possible to exploit these knights I think your late admission of guilt, Rafael Alberti
(i am not aware of nothing i think he is imagining things)

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Your honest and that of David (rodhry) and characters that I have indicated and that are multi Ajax bold (Christian), worried about your character and not of those that could be but of other nations, or people who in the past you have created in order to make a count of a conquered territory, I told you months ago, plays, and lets you play, as first reported in today and it certainly never accept lessons of style and sobriety by you or by those of three wigs ADMIN who still listen to you trusting in your sincerity

Rafael Alberti
(i don't understand much of this message, but months ago we banned total of 8-9 italian knights after the suspect then confirmed about multiusing, if you want name i can easy give you or you can watch in history (need to ask to rhodry cause i don't know all, them are his true life friend so he has proof in real life)

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will send you an example of this where you do your virginity, rodhry, Eddard ammazzasette and were already planning how to divide a state that you have not yet won

timestamp:
2011-12-03 14:34:20

Movimenti e "Guerra" con Zenata sviluppi ed evoluzione
Gli eserciti Zenata sono stati sconfitti e imprigionati mentre noi eravamo ancora per mare, dopo di questo l’admin Eddard è entrato nella nazione ed attualmente ne è Re, i 3/4 sono stati bannati e i 3/4 dei rimanenti sono inattivi, quindi probabilmente la nazione si dissolverà!

Per roleplay io e Rhodry pensavamo di mandare un esercito di 4 cavalieri a scelta tra i seguenti (siete nello stesso esercito) sulla capitale Zenata per condurre una investigazione di Necromazia, non ci sarà da combattere vistoche l’impostazione è su friendly.

Chi tra questi vorrebbe tornare indietro me lo faccia sapere che lo facco uscire dall’eserrcito, infatti gli altri 3 eserciti torneranno in patria a difendere i confini da eventuali assalti di eserciti FREE (si anche i cavalieri senza nazione se in numero minimo di 5 possono formare un esercito ed attaccare!) e questo deve essere evitato.

Dovete decidere entro stasera alle 22 perchè ho già impostato i movimenti di ritorno per noi e di sbarco per voi, uno dei più affidabili vi condurrà fino la capitale affinchè possiate procedere con la vostra inquisizione, al ritorno ovviamente vi ricompenseremo ocn 5 denari d’argento dandovi una quest.

Ecco la lista dei cavalieri nell’esercito che dovrebbe sbarcare, NE BASTANO 4 MENO SIETE E MENO SOLDI COSTERà MANTENERVI ALLA NAZIONE (ma Roleplay parlando è molto importante condurre questa investigazione visto che siamo stati noi a promuovere questa guerra e a far muvoere l’admin per l’eliminazione dei multiaccount)

ammazzasette
Asch king
caesen
Rowan_Svampiria
salaya
wolfaker
Andrew The Sonic Snake
Snake Butler


Movements and "War" with Zenata development and evolution
Zenata armies were defeated and imprisoned,

(this is not a proof of nothing, i was saying to 1 army to go till zenata for roleplay of necromacy and knights under this list are the knights involeved in that army, if you i can traduce all the text )

5)

Cullinan King ofVeps: (himself write the traduction)

ruolo degli amministratori e manovre con gli stati - role of administrators and operations with states
prendo atto della scarsa serietà di Eddard quale amministratore, avendo poco piacere a parlare con persone false e non garantiste delle regole in futuro di non averne più a che fare, censuro e ritengo grave la combine tra eddard ed il rè e cancelliere italiani, saluti

I note the lack of seriousness of Eddard as director, having little pleasure to talk to people false and does not warrant the rules in the future not to have more to do, censor, and I think the combination of severe Eddard and the Italian king and a chancellor, greetings

role of administrators and operations with states
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I hope you have a complete clear view about this. The Veps time of registration is MY REPLY to cullinan after his letter. I don't lose my time to reply who accuse player and administrator to combine something if they even know...i replies him with FACTS, that can be casual or not...


LAST MESSAGE of Raffaele on Board (that seem only i am insulting)

raffaele alberti: worried I would not say for sure know that people without merit and false as tea (i think he is writing TE that in Italian mean You but not sure about this), Rhodry Eddard and can give lessons in style and simplicity seems excessive to me, should you be to leave the game to ensure the regularity

Kalisto Dalenen: I hope your tech mods have enough of this now....maybe next one will be your name...enjoy the game!
Kalisto Dalenen: Knight kalisto banned was welcomed to the nation "Veps" by cullinan
Tech-Mod-Smelgar: "Knight eddard banned arrives to the land."

Eddard wrote:

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I can´t ban ore block any player. Only Hoern can. So he check the system and block/ban Multi-Accounts.
So it doesn´t help you to give IGM-Spam to Hoern.

Or anyone else
But to get on the first point, this was longest vacation Hoern did I can remember (being overall 4 years now on german server).

Specially since Eddard became chancellor I got to say that it was my idea to give him better chance having a look for the problem Zenata being unable to set counts on shires, well, I hope the problem is fixed now (since Eddard left the nation again I think it should be). That quite same time the multi-discussion was running had nothing to do with it.

It is part of the Councils work to draw the attention on matters like multi-using (but much more to moderate the petitions board in these cases).
That includes that PMs shouldn't be posted.

Another point, I think James already pointed very good on it, is the question on how to identify multies.
Where do you get the number of postings of a specific Knight from? From board, thats correct, but if you are in another Nation and these one is only posting on Nations board... delete all my public postings and still over 1000 will be left (ok, thats making a medal in my profile for me ).
The board, specially the RP-area is part of the game, but it isn't essential to make the game run.

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"they log in all the same day,all near the same hour,all having the same actions,with no RP board posts,with no Board reply"

If that would count then most clickers on german server would have a bad time, since they are all living in the same time zone (almost^^).

@Kalisto: First of all, Tarkan is far I know no member of Council, me not too, so we have a King of Zenatas Neighbourhood, the Admins Eddard and Hoern (who falls out reading no ingame-messages), one Tech-Mod (being very poor in italian language), your own King and yourself, drawing attention on possible Multies in Italy.
I think, except Tarkan, all quite experienced gamers, also in questions of multi-using.

So you and raffaele won't become best friends in life, let it be with it

Jessica vom Greifenstein wrote:

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So you and raffaele won't become best friends in life, let it be with it :)

Don't worry after my clone has created for me this question is closed.

However i have no idea why we send message to Tarkan or to you ....
I am sorry about PM i know the rule, however i had to post it or seem that i am talking bad thing about someone with no reasons.

Ifriquiya and Sicilian remove them together and before our help came, Eddard or i don't know who, remove Multies from there.

Maybe there is work to do on others nations but i'll leave on who have to do it.

Kalisto, I do not defend anybody, I defend the right of every player to play the game by the rules. Inviting raffaele alberti to leave the game is not an option and you could be at least tavern banned for that.

Insulting PM's are to be handled by the admins, not posted in the board. The admins could temporary or perma-ban the player, depending of the gravity of the insults.

Drawing the attention about possible multis, taking in consideration the names, the time when the accounts was created is a good thing, but keep posting every day: "hey, admin, why did you not banned those players?" is irritating.
In all the cases of obvious fraud, the admins was taking the necessary measures (see Brittany, Vesps cases), no need to push them.

My idea was that such energy is better used in a RP threads like "Watch over Jerusalem", "Papal elections", "Iberian conflict", "Planting flowers around Mediterranean Sea" or anything that catches your eye.

You did your duty as watchful player to draw the attention about possible multis, now let the admins to do their job and let's play the game. No need of insults and invitations to leave the game over the tavern, board and PM's.

James wrote:

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My idea was that such energy is better used in a RP threads like "Watch over Jerusalem", "Papal elections", "Iberian conflict", "Planting flowers around Mediterranean Sea" or anything that catches your eye.

I cannot but agree with this statement.