Smelgar wrote:

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Therefore, England should be restored to the maximum extent possible.

I tried to read all messages but there were too many diversions so i renounced ... I agree with previous statement of Smelgar because i`m 99.99% sure that this was not the fault of England people, including of course James, and is much easier for me to believe it was a hacker than that James or Bella or Elizabeth de Loraine did this on purpose (it just doesn`t fit with their characters in my opinion)
Maybe in all other similar situations would have been better to have a 100% restorement also, maybe was wrong that was not so, but let`s do it at least from now on !

James wrote:

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Jessica vom Greifenstein wrote:

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Well, someone must have hacked your password James, or you have given it away, so Greg better think twice before writing about nonsens or other things (and yes I also mention the message to Jata).

In german law it needed to be proven if you acted careless with your password, which is more or less also mentioned in Terms of use of KH:

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After registration, the player has his own account, which may only be used by the player.

So it is part of the players duty to take care of his login data!

vom Greifenstein, can you read? Then read where i posted the shires was abandoned after my account leave it the nation. How do you explain that, smart guy?

Read where I says that I had a 7 digit alphanumeric password, secure enough and I did not give away my account or my password ever. Also it's for the Admin to secure the game against hackers. Use your slow mind in an intensive way before accusing me, because the game is very strict about defamation, not to mention german law.

About Jata and other persons putting together the nations who was disbanded because they accept a new king with England who got hacked, there is nothing to comment. The intelligence of an ant works better.
I despise such persons using an unfortunate hacking event to take advantage in the game.

Since England was hacked, it's not for the CoK to decide, but for the Admin to restore the situation previously to the hacking attempt!

It seems to me you became unable reading, it was already explained on you that abandones of shires take place in scoring. And not in clicking.

And who exactly tells you that the page was hacked while you are having no spyware? It isn't the Admins or mine business to take care that your PC/connection is save, it is yours.

Next point about restoring, READ my first post again. I hate repeating myself over and over.

Last but not least, take care of what you are writing, KH is no place for personal insultings or vendettas, no matter about how much frustrated you may be right now.

Elizabeth de Loraine wrote:

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The difference is that England got hacked, while in the other cases it was their fault to appoint a wrong person as chancellor / king. I wonder why you keep ignoring this.
Don't tell me now it's James fault, that he did all the destruction, sold his armor and his horse after that because I don't believe you.

I expect a full restoring in England's case, because it wasn't our fault. Or else why we would play a game where easily got hacked and losing all our work?

It seems strange to me the way you react. I bet if it was your nation or a friendly one, you would not speak like that.

Well, I don't see the way a King can be "appointed" if he is overtaking the power, but thats another story.

About James fate -> Already said it on Opti board, thats not part of the petition, a new one has to be created about this topic.

My main aim with that post is within your last sentence, I see it as my duty to be as objective as possible, so it doesn't care on me if you are friendly or not. But I got to agree with Jata on one point, James makes it right now very difficult to remain objective.

To the objective people of the Council: do you agree England should be full restored?

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Marcus de Wolfe wrote:

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To the objective people of the Council: do you agree England should be full restored?

Two members of council have voted YES to Bella's petition and one has voted against. A fourth member of council voted YES with some technical qualifications. The fifth member of council has not voted.

The current voting is either 2:1 or 3:1 in favour. If the final member of Council were to vote YES, it would be 3:1 or 4:1. Therefore, even without making a value judgement as to whom in the Council is objective, it is possible to say the Council has voted in favour.

Smelgar wrote:

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Sorry I've been unresponsive; in RL I have been trying all week to bring a rolling crisis under control (and it is now under control, though the outcome is not entirely satisfactory).

The critical difference is that the England situation has been caused by an action that is wholly outside the game and probably illegal (i.e. compromising a player's account) whereas the previous incidents have only involved nasty actions by people with no real interest in playing the game.

Therefore, England should be restored to the maximum extent possible.

The most important act of restoration is to enable the English knights to resume their fiefdoms for free. This includes James, who (as it currently stands) would have to pay for his fiefdom once he is readmitted to the nation. It is known from the resolution of the Spanish matter that it is possible for Hoern to alter the database so that Knights can resume their fiefdoms for free. James can also be provided with enough silver to purchase new armour and horse: the recovery after the "lost silver overnight" incident demonstrates this is technically possible. And any other restorative actions that are technically feasible should be undertaken.

And the KH community should be united in its condemnation of the act that has led to this; this act represents a new low, even worse the preceding problems.

Hi

Hear, hear we are playing Knights Honour after all...

Best Wishes, Sorry & Thanks...

To conclude: England's got it's shires back, but no money what ever.

What a surprise...

lol, indeed.