Hoern wrote:

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shires of England: restored
If there are problems for the knights to get there fiefs back.... tell me (detailed list needed)

money back or other compensations: no

in general: I see no real hack here.... If I could hack England, I would hack the king and not the chancellor...
What you make of this... I leave it to you....
The nation-block of James is deactivated.

And why is that? Why we do not receive back the money that was given away (2000 silvers) and the cost of the upgrades? I think it's not so difficult for you to input a fair amount that we could start building up what was destroyed.

Why should I give you the money back in your case when I didn't give it back to other nations with the same problem?
Because you and James say that the system got hacked? I do not see any clue to this... and you have none for me...

We should insert a maximum of 2 shires to abandon in one scoring.... I see the need.
....but this is for the future....

Hoern wrote:

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Why should I give you the money back in your case when I didn't give it back to other nations with the same problem?

Yes, for future reference, if there are any future such cases, I would consider it nice, if a general policy was simply set to always give money back as well.

Hoern wrote:

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Because you and James say that the system got hacked? I do not see any clue to this... and you have none for me...

Personally I would not know where and how to go looking for such clues. But the options seem to be either that England got hacked, which makes eminent sense to me. Or that England engaged in masochistic self-mutilation, which does not make the least sense to me.

Hoern wrote:

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We should insert a maximum of 2 shires to abandon in one scoring.... I see the need.
....but this is for the future....

Good to hear that. Until that time I really would suggest to set a general money back policy for the future, until that 2 shire block gets installed.

If I have counted right 5 nations have had problems somewhat similar to England's in the last year (getting destroyed not by normal warfare, but by unnatural disasters), out of 40 nations on KH. That is 12.5 %. This seems a lot to me.

Particularly since such happenings might cause players, who are unlucky enough to belong to small and / or inactive nations unable to get a handle on such problems, to quit the game in frustration. Luckily we do not have that problem in England and are getting a handle on the situation.

Hello Hoern,
you write that you see no indication that the system was hacked.
Well, how about this, to my knowledge it is not possible, neither kings nor for Chancellor to take a knight his fief. This can only happen if the Knights of the people referenced. In addition, silver may still only be passed on to the castle to the army, only most of our armies were just not at the castle.
I think that this is enough evidence for a system hacking.

@Liam Devlin : just for explanation, this explanation doesn`t mean i don`t agree with your demands : from your nation history, as it was described in a previous post (the link is below), we can see that someone formed an army named "money" in London and transfered all money to that army. After transfering I think the army was disbanded (I don`t see this but that is what I think happened) so the money were lost ... Also about knight`s villages - when a province is abandoned the villages are automatically lost.
http://knights-honor.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,181/func,view/id,95919/catid,2/

@Hoern - maybe this rule regarding returning the money and all other stuff of all affected warriors should be changed, and maybe this is a good timing for this change. I think Bella is right - I don`t see a reason for self-mutilation here ... If James would have left England then it would have been England fault of appointing him as chancellor, but here is not the case, as far as i can see he say it was not his decision to do so.
We should not say "it was someone`s fault , deal with it" - at least we should not say this until we can prove it. So the question is - can we really prove that it was somebody`s fault ??? I`m aware that it`s your game, your rules, but as all thing even those rules can be improved, only Odin is perfect

@Zmeu: Problem is that Hoern is the horned god of KH, even being stronger then Odin, he may even let armies with refund silver sink if he likes to, as happend to saxon army yesterday:

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storm at sea-field "Seefeld 35" laesst Heer Ersatzheer Schiffbruch erleiden.

So your Odin might be better speaking english, but Hoern is the god of Storms here in KH

Hey Hoern, I think the case in England is different from others, when you said there is no indication that the system got hacked, how do you explain that?

1.England did not appoint any new chancellors at that time. (Nations History proves that.)
2.The only three knights in England have the rights to make all these changes at that time are Elizabeth de Loraine,James, and Bella. (From the designing of the game, I think the admin should agree with that.)
3. Elizabeth de Loraine last visit: 2012-01-11 12 o'clock (Nations History proves that.) It¡¯s impossible for her to make the changes.
Bella last visit: 2012-01-12 05 o'clock (Nations History proves that.) It¡¯s also impossible for her to make the changes.
4 James already left the nation before everything happened. And I don¡¯t think someone in the game would stupid enough to abandon all his properties and sell out all his equipments which worth 3000 silvercoins and after that ask for all of these to be returned.

Their treasury is almost empty now. Do you think it is fair to England?
We all hope the game we play is fair, If you think it's unfair to England, at least you should give 2000 silvercoins back to them.
I¡¯ll post a new petition with more details, hope you can read it and consider about it.

I don't think its realy necesary to write more petitions since everyone is already familiar with problem and most people agree that England should be restored.

But Hoern I think you should restore England in all ways, or atleast anounce that after this situation every nation that will have similar situation to be fully restored.

@Jessica vom Greifenstein
You just refuse to see Odin`s involvement in that event, aren`t you ? You are a classic example of denial ...

I think it's very stupid to leave it like that.

This game has weak security, because account name is already given. You just have to find out passwords. Maybe there are some tools to find out common passwords when you google or search for them. When you are experienced in hacking, I guess it won't be a problem to hack into this game.

You can't be serious blaming James not caring for his password.